Bob About the trees left to burn in the Todd River: …

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Bob
About the trees left to burn in the Todd River: Is it that the Aboriginal Areas Protection Authority is the source of the resistance to putting out these fires?
It is my understanding that not only are Council and the Fire Department prevented from extinguishing the fires once they start, but that if the tree burns through and falls over, no one is allowed to remove the dead wood either.
If this is the case, it would seem that AAPA considers it best practice for the carcasses to stay so they can either burn again in next year’s fires and/or provide an impediment to water getting away in a timely fashion when the river floods.
In addition to increasing the potential danger from future fires and floods, the visual impact can only be described as very, very ordinary.
Could this be a case of a government instrumentality created with the best of intentions – to protect areas of aboriginal significance – becoming crazed by a sense of its own importance and forgetting that the safety of the municipality and all its residents also deserve consideration? I mean, we are talking of a tree on fire in the first instance and dead wood in the second.

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Spot a tree? Chop it down!
Mike
Please re-read my original post. I asked a question which you have answered in the negative. OK. I accept your denial. (That’s why I didn’t repeat the question in the second post.)
I then pointed out that fire-fighters have been seen to watch trees burn and not try to put them out. To consider they would do that within the municipality without instruction is, I think, an insult to their professionalism. So who told them not to?
To watch a fire burn would take someone with a level of authority to be found, by my reckoning, only in Council, the NT Police, the Fire Department or AAPA. Perhaps you would care to nominate one of the other three, or make a different suggestion altogether?
If you can establish that someone else prevented the fire-fighters from extinguishing a fire, then I will apologise for speculating that it was AAPA. I note that in our exchange so far you have not denied outright that AAPA was involved in the decisions to allow the trees to burn, but you do keep on about DISCLOSURE. I have nothing to disclose, but the repetition makes me wonder if confirmation is out there waiting for discovery.
I mean either someone told the firies to stand down or the individual fire-fighters took it on their own initiative to allow our magnificent River Gums to burn. I find that second notion hard to credit, but if it is the case, I suggest your argument is with the NT Fire Department.
As to where we go from here, will you now give AAPA approval for Council or some other authority to begin removing the carcasses now littering the Todd, both the standing dead and those already fallen?
ED – The Alice Springs News Online will now ask AAPA whether it has instructed to let the trees burn, and the fire service whether they had decided to let them burn, matters the two correspondents could easily have clarified themselves. We will of course publish the answers.


Spot a tree? Chop it down!
@1 A couple of points:
The trees in the river, whether sacred or secular, are destroyed by firebugs, not by those who attempt to put the fires out.
Does AAPA have no objections to the removal of the carcasses currently littering the Todd’s riverbed? That would be such a welcome statement as they are an eyesore, a fire hazard and a impediment to the timely flow of floodwater through town. As a member of AAPA, is Mike Gillam willing to make that statement?
The Todd looks like a war zone. A cleanup and some replanting would do it and Alice the world of good.
The insinuation that I harbor political ambitions is ill-informed.


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Thank you, Russell, for sharing your family’s history. Your grandfather showed great foresight in first getting out of Germany and, later, moving to Australia.
Back to the present, and while I repeat that the Nobel Peace Prize being given to the International Campaign to Abolish Nuclear Weapons came as a most welcome bolt out of the blue, I can see one big problem in trying to implement its agenda.
Looking at the world today, the hot wars are being waged against countries without nuclear capabilities. These are mostly across the Middle East and in north and sub-saharan Africa. No one is seriously contemplating starting a hot war against countries with a nuclear deterrent, whether they be the big three of Russia, China and the USA or the second tier countries of England, France, India, Pakistan, North Korea and Israel, blustering and posturing notwithstanding.
Looked at in this light, having nuclear weapons makes good sense. Would that it were not so, but, unfortunately, it is.


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@Steve Brown
Posted October 17, 2017 at 6:28 pm
No argument with what you say about the war in the Pacific, but try as I might, I cannot place that theatre between Japan and Germany.
I can, however, place Mao’s Eighth Route Army there, but if we are to look at that it would mean opening a whole new chapter into who did what in WWII.
As to stability, the Korean war waged from 1950 to the present day has not brought stability, the war in Vietnam did not bring stability, the current kerfuffle in the South China Sea is not bringing stability and the annual Talisman Sabre is not bringing stability.
However, Nixon’s visit to China in 1972 did open a road to stability, but that was an exercise in diplomacy, not sabre rattling.


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An interesting comment below that the only thing standing between Russell’s father and the Japanese was the strength and commitment of the USA.
It might be more accurate to say that the only thing standing between Russell’s father and the Japanese was the Soviet army.
The Wehrmacht was broken at the battle of Stalingrad (today’s Volgograd), not on the beaches of Normandy, an inconvenient truth, but the truth nonetheless.


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Being in my own way an optimist, when Trump was elected President of the US I had hopes that he really would get out of foreign wars, make nice with Russia and rebuild America’s crumbling infrastructure. Instead he seems to be locked into waging yet more wars, demonising Russia and destroying infrastructure (and how many lives and hopes and dreams?) in other lands.
Foolish me!
But there may still be a silver lining to the cloud of Trump’s presidency. All over the world people are waking up to the real and present danger of anyone, let alone an unstable person, having nuclear codes at his command.
And he is hardly alone in the unstable stakes. Can anyone really find reason to hope when looking at the antics of Kim in North Korea or Netanyahu in Israel?
The recent Nobel Peace Prize came as a bolt out of the blue. Hopefully it will not be an isolated and forgotten moment of sanity in a world with an increasingly desperate need of sanity.


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