So Rex reckons Ray (Posted May 4, 2012 at 4:24 …

Comment on Female tourists sleeping in car alleged to have been sexually assaulted: all three suspects now charged, rifle still not recovered. by Bob Durnan.

So Rex reckons Ray (Posted May 4, 2012 at 4:24 pm) is on the right track, wanting “others who refuse to take responsibility for themselves” to “go somewhere else.”
It is precisely this kind of short-sighted, simplistic and self-centred reasoning which keeps us from making the changes that would provide the kind of social environment which Rex and Ray presumably want. That talk is really nothing more than cheap propaganda for a certain type of authoritarian and reactionary conservative political thinking.
We will not improve our social environment if we just rely on forcing trouble makers to “go somewhere else”, as this will simply encourage other communities to behave similarly, sending their difficult and unwanted cases into our domain.
We have to face up to the problems and attempt to manage existing dysfunctional individuals and try to prevent the reproduction of these behaviours in the younger people. We will get nowhere for ourselves or our children if we abrogate these responsibilities.
We do have to expect others to behave responsibly, and demand that they do so, but making ourselves anti-social will not help solve the problems or prevent anti-social behaviour from continuing to disrupt our lives.
Ray also claims, and Rex endorses, that all they “ever hear from the huggers is that alcohol is evil, and we have to cut our consumption to help the poor unfortunates”.
Get real Rex and Ray. Alcohol regulation reformers are not saying alcohol is evil. We are not prohibitionists. What we are saying is that excessive consumption of alcohol by individuals and groups of individuals triggers a lot of bad behaviour and harm; and consequently alcohol has to be regulated realistically so that this volatile, potentially dangerous substance is consumed as carefully and responsibly as possible, in the same way that other toxic substances are regulated to ensure that they cause the least harm to innocent bystanders and other vulnerable people.
When Ray states that he doesn’t “care any more if they drink themselves into a stupor or worse, if you can’t handle the grog, don’t drink!” and Rex endorses this attitude, are they being sincere?
How can they claim to want a better social environment and at the same time advocate such simplistic nonsense?
Rex, how can you expect your arguments to be taken seriously if you do not oppose excessive consumption of alcohol by problem drinkers?
That kind of [argument] does nothing to help attain the changes we all want, and indicates a degree of bad faith on the part of those who make such unhelpful provocative statements.

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Female tourists sleeping in car alleged to have been sexually assaulted: all three suspects now charged, rifle still not recovered.
Eli (Posted May 8, 2012 at 2:31 pm), I will be ‘in’ on your roundtable discussion, subject to a couple of caveats of my own. I will discuss details of these with Russell and get back to you.
One preliminary observation: there would need to be an agreed set of ‘ground rules’.
I would prefer that participation be restricted to those who use their actual names when making comments on this site, and that Hal Duell, John Boffa and Jane Clark be asked if they would like to take part.
Ensuring sizeable Aboriginal participation would probably be possible, depending on time and place for the discussion.
I am intrigued by your request for word limits. Surely you aren’t scared of words?
[ED – Hi Bob, I hope you will participate. Some early thoughts on our role as moderator:-
• Eli would clearly need to be a debater, and not in the chair.
• An agreed agenda – e.g. floor price, mandatory rehab (including costing but comparing it with how much the likely participants are costing the public right now in repeated hospital, court, corrections and rehab services), Thirsty Thursday (or several days), banned drinkers, removal of restrictions, wet canteens on communities, opening hours.
• Two minutes per speaker per subject followed by one minute per speaker right of reply.
• No repetitions.
• All assertions to be supported by credible corroboration. Published studies should be referred to in summary, but the URLs of the full texts should be supplied.
• Participants need to give their full names.
• Live streaming (if possible) so people can watch it on their computers at home – Desert Knowledge may be able to assist.
I look forward to feedback on these ideas!
Cheers, Erwin]


Female tourists sleeping in car alleged to have been sexually assaulted: all three suspects now charged, rifle still not recovered.
Insofar as the CLP Government’s failure to build police stations and provide adequate education services in any bush communities contributed to our present problems (and these failures undoubtedly did contribute to these problems, in a major way, because they made it impossible for the police to systematically enforce laws, particularly those against violence, drug dealing, illegal grog running, traffic offences etc) Janet is, weirdly enough, correct (Janet Brown, Posted May 7, 2012 at 10:13 am).
The CLP, or Country Liberals as they would now prefer to be known, enjoyed twenty seven years of virtually unchallenged power in the NT Assembly and ran the NT Government for 23 years following the granting of self-government in 1978.
In the forty-odd remote Aboriginal communities south of Tennant Creek, only five actually had a police presence based in their communities prior to Clare Martin coming to power in 2001. Those five police stations were all built by the Commonwealth Government prior to the advent of NT self-government.
In 23 years of CLP rule, not one police station had been built in a remote community, despite considerable begging from many respected leaders for this discrimination to be redressed.
As a consequence, drug dealers, grog runners, con men and bullies were able to get their claws into many communities and become entrenched. Whole communities became used to many people driving around most of the time unlicensed in unregistered uninsured unroadworthy vehicles. Use of violence to settle disputes and get advantage became ever more entrenched in the daily lives of many residents.
Most communities voted to ban alcohol within their boundaries, but the CLP Governments refused to allocate the police needed to enforce these decisions, although they had been made under the provisions of the CLP’s own Liquor Act by its own Liquor Licensing Commission.
Even in the communities which did have a police presence, the numbers of police were completely inadequate compared to the tasks that they were expected to perform (patrolling vast road networks and taking responsibility for other communities which were several hours of travel distant from their base).
As Janet attests: “Why are we here easy answer. A failure in policing. Failure in governments to treat all equal under law and in policy.”
In fact, the CLP in government preferred to pump vast amounts of revenue into building casinos, five star hotels, resorts and convention centres to further enrich their business cronies rather than use their revenues to construct police stations, clinics and schools for the neediest people in the Territory. The CLP also ignored widespread serious malfunctions in the system of local community governance which it had established.
It is unsurprising then that many of the folk who have grown up in these communities experience major problems in relation to bad behaviour and lack of respect for the law today. As Janet says: “As to why some in our society are not entitled to the protections of Australian laws and opportunities due to their races. That is the face of racism. That is also why we have violence on streets, home invasions and massive criminal damage. It will only stop when segregation ends. And we rebuild as a community that works together.”


Female tourists sleeping in car alleged to have been sexually assaulted: all three suspects now charged, rifle still not recovered.
Thanks Dave (David Chewings, Posted May 5, 2012 at 7:00 pm):
I realise that it is tedious for most people who regularly read these posts to encounter my repeated affirmations of certain arguments to do with excessive use of alcohol and other drugs.
However, it is also obvious that some people who see themselves as our local political, civic and/or opinion leaders simply fail to comprehend key facts and logic that are relevant to this debate, and take a long time to understand them and integrate them into their thinking.
For this reason – given the centrality of alcohol and other addictions in both the causes and possible solutions to many of our problems – it is necessary to challenge the statements of those who would be our kings when they make dubious assertions, or appear to be ignorant of central factors. There is really no alternative, as far as I am aware.


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So you cast an aspersion on her. It is entirely unwarranted.
Don’t wriggle out, apologise.


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