@Russell “The savings to society, already evident in recidivist statistical …

Comment on Female tourists sleeping in car alleged to have been sexually assaulted: all three suspects now charged, rifle still not recovered. by Ray.

@Russell “The savings to society, already evident in recidivist statistical data, includes health, policing, court and prison costs, leading to positive future benefits like full-time employment.”
Already evident?? No Russell, crime is so high the police commissioner has been asked by the CM to personally get involved and fix the problem. The Berrimah and Alice Springs prisons are at bursting point, and the number of juveniles in detention are staggering, (the next generation). You are of course right Russell when you question my beliefs when I say I don’t give a S#%t, I really do, but do you really think these habitual drunks care about going to jail or losing their licence? It’s not like they are worried about where their next pay cheque is coming from, or how they are going to pay rent. I asked an old Aboriginal chap recently “why do these kids think they can keep breaking the law?” and was told “they don’t give a f&ck about the your law, they’ll get caught and get to spend time with family”.
Remember the old days when if a kid got brought home by the local sergeant? He’d be more scared about the hiding he’d get from his dad. Nowadays, the father would drag the kid straight to a lawyer to defend him against that “horrible white racist copper bastard”.
Drinking is not the cause of this society, is it a symptom. Unless we look at making all people (ie all races / all Australians) obey the same set of laws that have been developed over centuries, for a civilised society, the next generation will suffer the same fate. We have seen the gently gently approach tried and failed over many many years. As I’ve said previously, I love the concept of social inclusion, but if people want respect and not resentment, they need to understand they have to take responsibility for themselves, and their children.
If you banned driving for one day every week, I am sure you would make a massive difference to the road toll, and you could make a valid point with those stats as well.
Thanks for the discussion though, it has been enjoyable.

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Female tourists sleeping in car alleged to have been sexually assaulted: all three suspects now charged, rifle still not recovered.
@Russell. I get pretty sick and tired of being the one that has to make the sacrifice because of all the others who refuse to take responsibility for themselves. If they can’t abide by the rules of this society, go somewhere else. I see no reason I can’t enjoy the right to buy alcohol and drink it responsibly, like I can do in any similarly sized town in this country. All I ever hear from the huggers is that alcohol is evil, and we have to cut our consumption to help the poor unfortunates. I greatly don’t care any more if they drink themselves into a stupor or worse, if you can’t handle the grog, don’t drink! I’ve gotten blotto many times in my youth, and moderated my behaviour as I have grown up. It’s not that hard


Female tourists sleeping in car alleged to have been sexually assaulted: all three suspects now charged, rifle still not recovered.
@2 Rod, I ride through bushland near town regularly. The amount of crap that I see dumped in and around these areas is disgusting. Filthy blankets, often caked in dried blood and shit, surrounded by tins of food, drink containers etc all swarming with flies are becoming a blight on our town. This is occurring more and more regularly. I applaud the council workers for putting their health at risk and collecting this rubbish. I have never had any of my camping gear “stolen” or taken away, because it is all cleaned, and stored in my shed behind the house that I bought from working hard. I am part of the community I choose to live in, and accept that if I want to be a part of this community I will follow by the rules they have in place. If people choose to ignore those rules and it affects my ability to enjoy a lifestyle I should be able to expect, I expect them do be dealt with according to the law / rules.


Female tourists sleeping in car alleged to have been sexually assaulted: all three suspects now charged, rifle still not recovered.
@hal
I believe that we need to “do what it takes” Hal. We need the new council to divert funds from projects or issues that could be put on hold and allocate their funds where they are needed. We need our NT Pollies to step up and help the council in finding grants from the government. If there is a day patrol, night patrol and youth patrol, surely we need to work collaboratively with these organisations that are already funded by us, to enable the bylaws to be enforced. If we need to pay the rangers to work after hours to get the job done, we should expect all tiers of government to find the funding and find a solution. Not finding a solution will mean the beautiful town of Alice Springs will loose its appeal to visitors and locals. There are a lot of people looking at cutting their losses and leaving at the moment.


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Classroom cops back – but only in one Alice school
Ha ha, body worn vests. Not sure how else a vest is worn if not on the body?
Maybe the info supplied to the Alice Springs News Online meant to say body worn cameras? The same ones supplied to operational police and most recently housing officers.
On another note, Alex, are you serious? Criminal guards? Maybe you refer to the farce of a RC, who referred matters to NT Police who found no basis for charges to be laid against the workers involved.
One of the workers was charged in Supreme Court, but found to be acting lawfully, skilfully and appropriately, not once but also on appeal. Transcript is available.
As far as raising the age of criminal responsibility? Simply means that kids will be free to break in, bash, steal, rob, destroy for two more years and face no real consequence.
Tell me how that goes down when you are confronted with a 13-year-old girl with a knife. Believe me, these kids know right from wrong at 10, but we give them two years’ grace.
These are not naughty children, then are unloved kids who have learned that it is kill or be killed, and get a kick out of seeing somebody else in fear rather than them.


Business group may establish ‘federal’ prison in The Centre
Employment for up to 200 staff to run it, their families, infastructure, employment, local businesses to supply food, and equipment.
Located 20 to 30km out of town, like the current NT one is, what is there not to like.
If the Feds are paying, the technology will be pretty good. Go for it.


Gallery: national reference group appointed
Evelyn, sorry I have no idea what it may be, but this link might give an indication of what members of statutory bodies are paid.


Gallery: national reference group appointed
Agree Russell, much like the recent Royal Commission where a predetermined outcome was presided over by a person who knew the ending before it began, who was unable to find the evidence until it was presented to the public after the enquiry had concluded.
A well paid job if you can get it. It seems that we, the hoi polloi, pay quite well when we have no choice in the funding.


Gallery: national reference group appointed
Evelyn, you mention the remuneration of a member of the Legislative Assembly.
The appointed people are not MLAs, nor will they be paid that amount.
They would be appointed as a member of a statutory body and paid in line with that role under division 2 of the Act. Let’s not jump to conclusions here.
Although it will be a substantial payment, it is likely to be far less than what an MLA receives.


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