Janice (@Posted September 21, 2012 at 8:21 pm): actually when …

Comment on Briscoe Inquest: reduce supply of excess alcohol from take away outlets, says Coroner by Bob Durnan.

Janice (@Posted September 21, 2012 at 8:21 pm): actually when you exclude Coles and Woolies, the majority of alcohol is obtained from the Gapview Hotel, the Todd Tavern, the Heavitree Gap Hotel store, Elders, Piggly Wiggly, Club Eastside and the Gillen Club, and many other clubs, bars and restaurants.

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Briscoe Inquest: reduce supply of excess alcohol from take away outlets, says Coroner
In reply to Ray (@Posted September 27, 2012 at 10:15 pm):
Ray stated that “The same drunks were still getting locked up because they could still get alcohol, either by having their kin buy it, smashing into shops, houses or other means.”
This assertion is fundamentally flawed, and also neglectful of other relevant considerations.
Firstly, the fallacy is demonstrated by the fact that, by the end of the BDR era, police at the Alice Springs Watch-house were hosting less than half the number of protective custody clients compared to the winter period in 2011. (The data reflecting this is only partly included in the NT crime statistics released a couple of days ago, which only contained information up to the end of June).
Secondly, when the ban was lifted, banned drinkers celebrated and public drinking resumed on a large scale in public areas. Police were suddenly run off their feet trying to respond to a proliferation of incidents and were unable to continue preventing much of the illegal transport of grog for consumption in banned houses and prescribed areas.
Thirdly, and most tellingly, publicans were complaining that the enforcement of the BDR at the entrance to their public bars was undermining their business model, and causing their profits to collapse.
The allegation that the same drinkers “were still getting locked up because they could get alcohol, either by having their kin buy it, smashing into shops, houses or other means” at anything like previous rates is preposterous, and amounts to pure spin by the industry and its allies.
The amount of alcohol obtained in break-ins was nowhere near comparable to the amounts of reduced sales at bars and bottle shops.
The ability of drinkers to enlist relatives to purchase on their behalf had been greatly reduced as the effects of the BDR had gradually reached “critical mass”. When 800 locals were no longer easily able to obtain grog over the counter, the drinking culture had come under such severe constraints, as manifested by the points listed above, that it began to recede.
More importantly, a very significant by-product of this dynamic is ignored by Ray and his fellow cynics: the BDR was also beginning to make in-roads into the rate of reproduction of the heavy drinking culture. As the drinking circles were reduced in frequency, size and impact, so the opportunities for young people and other new drinkers to get enveloped by this activity and quickly addicted became less. This receding was enabling other complementary measures to begin to work.
The sudden abolition of the BDR has sent all these gains down the plug hole. This has been a great set-back to the development of a healthy society in Central Australia.
All those concerned to see a healthy local society, economy and culture should implore Mills, Elferink and the four Central Australian-based Ministers to re-introduce the BDR for a two or three year period, and give it a fair trial and evaluation.


Briscoe Inquest: reduce supply of excess alcohol from take away outlets, says Coroner
Rex (posted @ Posted September 25, 2012 at 12:55 am): Read the stream.
Far from “forgetting the IGAs”, my post (Posted September 22, 2012 at 2:50 pm) was in reply to Janice (@Posted September 21, 2012 at 8:21 pm), who ignorantly opined that the Aboriginal owned outlets (the IGAs and Milner Rd) were responsible for selling the majority of liquor that wasn’t being sold by Coles and Woolies.
My point was that she was badly misinformed: the IGAs and Milner Rd only account for a small proportion of the non-Coles / Woolies sales; the bulk of it is sold through the outlets I listed @ Posted September 22, 2012 at 2:50 pm.


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