Thanks Annie, I would have thought that the 60% figure is …

Comment on NT needs someone to ‘call things honestly’ says Havnen … by ralph.

Thanks Annie,
I would have thought that the 60% figure is extraordinary enough to require some rigour of its own in the form of credible evidence to support it, and I neither see that in the comments nor can find it in my research of the available data. Please direct me to it. My ‘evidence’, of a couple of decades of working in remote communities and with their residents, tells me that the statement is absurd. That it could be presented by the former NT Coordinator-General of Remote Service Delivery is disturbing, and I think, justifies the claim that she is disconnected with the reality she describes.

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NT needs someone to ‘call things honestly’ says Havnen …
Remote communities have highly mobile populations with multiple residences, in several communities, outstations and town camps, confusing names (for whitefellas), overestimations of remote community populations based on actual residence at just about any particular time and, as a result, data that is inaccurate and equivocal enough to be subject to a range of interpretations depending on one’s bent. Against that, remote community men can, in no way, afford to not have an income. Remote community men who are not employed access a range of benefits including a share of family payments and other forms of welfare and there is a very high level of pressure on agencies to ensure that any elgible person is getting a benefit. The failure of a single payment for any reason can produce a storm of protest. What I particularly object to from someone with the assumed credibility of the former NT Coordinator-General of Remote Service Delivery is that her statement has strong implications for policy action to remedy a host of other problems. It’s a false trail, yet another one, and it absolutely needs to be challenged in a forthright manner in the public domain. I do understand that the role of coordinator general has many passionate and articulate defenders, but to be effective it needed to be grounded in the day to day realities of remote community life and it simply wasn’t.


NT needs someone to ‘call things honestly’ says Havnen …
Annie, so you’re ‘not in any way engaged with the data’ but simply object to the language I use? W.E.H Stanner highlighted the importance of grounding policies in the real lives of Aboriginal people, and wrote in an understated way that you may find more satisfactory: ‘We thus sometimes beg the question whether we have consulted the right reality in the first place’. I would think that this applies rather well to Olga Havnen’s claim that 60% of Aboriginal men of working age (in the NT) have no income.

ED – The ‘60% with no income’ claim was with respect to men living in remote communities in the NT, not the NT as a whole.


NT needs someone to ‘call things honestly’ says Havnen …
‘you’ve got 60% of Aboriginal men of working age (in the NT) who have no income…’ this statement shows the disconnect between the ex Coordinator-General of Remote Services and the reality she is attempting to describe.


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Even if ‘unfair, unreasonable or too harsh’, it is still the law
It is not open to them, as a matter of law, to find the accused not guilty because they believed the law under which they are being judged is “unfair, unreasonable or too harsh”.
Well actually this option is open to the jury and if I had been on the jury I would have taken it.
In the USA there are many not guilty findings irrespective of the law and the evidence where the three strike law jailing offenders for life applies.
In the years to come we as a society may wish we had paid a lot more attention to the cause of the peace activists.


Family violence is mostly men making a choice
One of the choices is the one we as a community make when dealing with domestic violence offenders.
Domestic violence programs in prison have been an unmitigated failure.
If they were scrapped tomorrow there would be no change in the recidivism rate for domestic violence offenders.
And millions of tax payer money would be saved.
Corrections do not keep data on the success or failure of their programs despite prison review recommendations that they do this.
It would be too embarrassing to do so.
The jail programs do not resonate with the real issues in Aboriginal men’s lives.
The staff administering them do not have the cross-cultural background to understand what these issues are.
The reduction of the numbers and roles of Aboriginal staff within the jail has not been helpful.
One outcome is that many Aboriginal men have spent 10 years or more in jail with just a short time between sentences.
They offend and go to jail, hear stories about their wives and become jealous, get out and assault their wives, go back to jail etc etc.
Along the way they graduate through domestic violence programs.
A few wives deliberately offend to try to head off this cycle by offending so they are in jail when their husbands are there.
Some go and live with their husband’s family.
Focussing on this cycle and how wives and husbands can be supported would be a positive step.
It would also be helpful to employ program staff who know about Aboriginal society and culture and are empowered within the prison system to deliver programs that make sense in the lives of the perpetrators.


Cut mining royalties to land councils: elder
200 series Cruisers are not the usual mining company vehicle. I’ve never seen one at Newman for example.
They use troop carriers mainly.
So why would Central Petroleum be buying six 200 series?
They likely went to traditional owners, while also providing $$ to the CLC.
It’s the way the frackers do business with the gatekeepers.


Cut mining royalties to land councils: elder
The CLC gets a lot more than published mining royalties.
Take gas and fracking advocate company Central Petroleum.
They recently bought six 200 series Landcruisers for a whopping $600,000 from CLC part owned Peter Kittles.
No discounts there.


Guilty: unanimous jury verdict for Peace Pilgrim
John Bell what Anti-Yank, Pro-Yank hostilities?
Not wanting a nuclear target down the road doesn’t make me anti Yank.


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