Backing what Damian said, I have noticed a massive increase …

Comment on The Great Alcohol Debate: Council rangers work ‘more difficult’ since scrapping of BDR, says Mayor by Ray.

Backing what Damian said, I have noticed a massive increase in general litter and broken bottles all around the Crown land near the Lovegrove Drive / Larapinta intersection. There are a lot more people camping, drinking and fighting. There aren’t any toilets there, and the stench rising from the blankets and discarded food items is sickening. The NT Police Superintendent’s office has discussed these issues with me following correspondence to Adam Giles, who has been very supportive. What a shame to take kids bike riding and having to put up with this filth. Unfortunately, it has got noticeably worse since the election, although it has spiked previously with events such as footy carnivals etc. These drinkers come from prescribed public housing and Morris Soak camp, but many are drifters from out of town. Please feel free to walk through this area to get first hand confirmation.

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The Great Alcohol Debate: Council rangers work ‘more difficult’ since scrapping of BDR, says Mayor
Thanks Dave, I do pick up the litter (bottles and cans) with my kids, and take them to be cashed in. I do this with my kids for pocket money for them. I do need to take care though and we don’t pick up the broken ones, but once again, we still seem to be picking up the pieces. All my original post was intended to do was agree with Damien, that the workload of the rangers seems to have increased, along with the litter, which is a shame.


The Great Alcohol Debate: Council rangers work ‘more difficult’ since scrapping of BDR, says Mayor
Wow Russell such a response on a simple observation of mine that the litter and associated mess is getting worse, in line with the original article. For this I get a brief history of the world over the last 400 years.
I am aware of Cook sailing up and down the coast. I have been to Cooktown and the Town of 1770, so I have that part of history pretty well covered. I never invited you to inspect toileting habits, I simply invited interested readers to walk through one area that suffers from the problem that Mayor Ryan mentioned, and how his rangers noticed an increase in the amount and types of litter. Evidence to back the claims in the article, as according to you Russell, we can’t have an opinion unless we have evidence to back it up.
I am actually referring to what is happening today Russell, in 2012. I have not personally seen Englishmen running around with guns chasing the natives into this area, but maybe you have evidence of this?
Can’t afford overnight accommodation? Really Russell? I am not worried about why they are here, I just object to the litter, broken glass, drunken arguments and lack of hygiene that is occurring in our town. What modern, civilised society should tolerate this, particularly when it occurs in an area of such natural beauty that is regularly used by walkers, bike riders and runners. All of whom have a right to use this area. Before you claim I am being racist towards the “poor wretches” remember that the “traditional owners” are offended by it. These people, from Utopia, Yuendemu, Papunya and other areas, are coming into country that is not theirs, and disrespecting it. The need for basic sanitation is known by modern and traditional people. It may be that these people, who subject their own children to this lifestyle, simply do not care. There are people like this across all races, so I am not racial profiling. If you think that Aboriginal people do not have any reason to care about our standards of cleanliness and pride, please tell those communities that proudly display a Tidy Town Winner sign that their efforts are only white fella way.
You have proven you vastly superior intelligence with your dates and placements of historical events and explorers, but why do you feel the need to denigrate a person of no more than average intelligence, who simply likes to share an opinion to contribute to some of the issues affecting the place I have chosen to call home?


Recent Comments by Ray

Booze report: What the government is likely to do.
One of the issues I saw Mr Gunner speaking about was community clubs, whereby they can decide upon their alcohol policy dependent on what that community wants.
However, I do not remember exactly what was said. At first I thought he was talking about local clubs like the golf club, Gillen, Club eastside etc.
I gave it more thought and realized he was probably alluding to “wet canteens” on communities.
This would be worthwhile looking into Erwin, as it seems to one of the recommendations that have slipped under the radar.
If there is an opportunity for remote communities to sell alcohol, there could well be a reduction in road deaths, but also a massive increase in domestic violence.
How would that effect finding staff such as nurses, teachers, police etc for these communities?
I may have simply misheard what the CM said, but if I am correct, this could be a massive can of worms.


When NT was officially ‘a country for the White Man’
Ted is a marvellous ambassador for the NT, and a compelling author, and in the context of this article, it is explained well how the White Australia Policy influenced the selection and appointment of the ruling class, elected leaders or members of the establishment.
At first glance however, it is easy to see how people are confusing the White Australia Policy with policy applying to Aboriginal people.
There was never an actual white Australia Policy, rather it was an ideal, and a way of thinking that was common in that era, however it was primarily directed towards immigration, in that we should only accept immigration from Anglo-Saxon countries, not Asians, or other non-white backgrounds.
This is easy to see in the article above, however looking at posts in facebook and general conversation, it seems many, particularly the younger generation seem to believe in some myths in the history of our country are built on misinformation, or partial truths.
An example of this is the ongoing myth that Aborigines were treated as flora or fauna up until 1967, or that was the first time they were given the vote at that time.
In an era when we should be looking at accepting a few home truths on our way to reconciliation, we need to ensure that these untruths are corrected as well. Looking forward to Ted’s book.


On youth prisons: grandmothers, reformers, revolutionaries
@ Jameel: I really hope you are being sarcastic when you say “who are they?”
Do I really need to explain that “they” are the grandmothers that are calling for these young ones to go out bush, learn their ways and culture and be removed from town instead of being locked up. This used to be done in the 70s, when the young ones were going off the rails, they were sent to family on out stations, where they learnt their “cultural responsibilities”.
Unfortunately all these solutions are suggested when it is too late.
Only after the kids have robbed, stolen, destroyed, harassed, broken etc, and they have been to court, and sent to detention as a last resort to these so called concerned grandmothers shake their heads about what would be best for the kids.
Surely if they had these concerns, they would have sent the kids out bush when they first started getting into trouble.
With such a strong and close family bond, these grandmothers know what the kids are up to, and they certainly have family who live out bush who could take these kids for a while, like used to happen.
Unfortunately these family structures have broken down, and it is now easier to blame everybody else for their woes, because they can no longer control their own kids appalling behavior, lack of respect and willingness to use violence.


On youth prisons: grandmothers, reformers, revolutionaries
With 51% of the NT being Aboriginal land, why are they not doing this?


Helping offenders on probation and parole stay out of gaol
Wow, can anything be done these days without a fancy sounding acronym? It seems other programs have Frustrated All Involved Leading to Extended Discussions (FAILED), so let’s hope this is not just a load of Creative Repeating of yet Another Program (CRAP).


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