Your point doesn’t hold water Paul (Paul Parker, Posted September …

Comment on Price turns back on Whitegate after using it in her election campaign: Lawrie by Bob Durnan.

Your point doesn’t hold water Paul (Paul Parker, Posted September 24, 2014 at 2:22 pm).
Whatever you may think of Tangentyere and the Alice Springs town camp housing associations, they were firm leaders in ensuring their tenants paid rent and electricity bills regularly throughout the 1980s.
There is no reason to believe that the Irrkerlantye / Whitegate group would have been any different.
The ADC (and later ATSIC) were prepared to stump up capital grants for development of essential services and housing, as they did for the development of the new leases at Karnte and Ilpiye Ilpiye during that period.

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Price turns back on Whitegate after using it in her election campaign: Lawrie
A few people have asked me why the CLP governments of the day failed to act on the original lease applications by the the Whitegate group’s Irrkerlantye-Akerte Aboriginal Corporation in the late 1980s and early 1990s.
This is a bit of a puzzle, as the Hatton government did grant special purpose leases to two other town camp housing associations in the late 1980s: the Ilpiye Ilpiye and Karnte Aboriginal Corporations.
However those two groups had become incorporated years ealier, and I think they had already applied for leases years before.
The Whitegate group – like the Namatjira group on Lovegrove Drive – were a bit later than the other groups in deciding to go that route.
It seems to me that the Whitegate lease applicants of the time (Myra Hayes and a large group of co-residents) were hit by a set of political problems which combined to create a triple whammy against them.
One was the rise in influence within the Alice Springs CLP of people who took a hard line against the existence of the town camps (and the spread of Aboriginal land rights), and wanted them dismantled; these people included the hard rightwing MLA for Sadadeen, Dennis Collins, who later left the CLP to sit as a far rightwing independent, because the CLP was too moderate for him.
Another major factor was the dominant idea, amongst some politicians and / or town planning people, that Alice Springs needed to expand in an easterly direction, and establish a new satellite town (“Undoolya”) between the Whitegate area and the Undoolya Station lease boundary.
A third factor was the growing perception that the development of the town camp leases over the previous decade had been leading to growth and entrenchment of “the drinking culture”, and its associated addictions, illnesses, violence and social dysfunctionality.

Price turns back on Whitegate after using it in her election campaign: Lawrie
I think what happened, Paul Parker, (Posted September 17, 2014 at 6:18 pm), was that after the lodging of the Lhere Artepe group’s Native Title claim in the mid-90s, leasing and development of vacant Crown land (within the Alice Springs town boundary) was effectively frozen.
As the claim was successful, this freezing has continued up until the present.
The ball was henceforth in Lhere Artepe Aboriginal Corporation’s court.
The Labor Government negotiated with LAAC for the development of some mainstream housing estates and other works, but LAAC – for whatever reasons – seems to have chosen not to put the Whitegate settlement on the bargaining table. LAAC is now under new leadership, and its approach to this matter looks like it is changing.

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Conservative (posted May 1, 2019 at 9:19 am): what do you mean by ‘props to Erwin’? Stage ‘props’? It doesn’t make sense.

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Like InterestedDarwinObserver, I think Assistant Commissioner Beer’s claim is a somewhat questionable one.
Given that the majority of NT road deaths are normally the result of single vehicle roll-overs on remote roads, it is questionable whether more intensive traffic policing in Alice would necessarily produce this good result as claimed.
We would need a much bigger sample and more details of the individual accidents to really get an idea about what is actually going on here.

Massive horse deaths now a risk to humans
Hal, (Posted April 14, 2019 at 1:29 am): Don’t be so disingenuous. It is obvious from the article that CLC staff have been trying very hard to get permission to act.
They have now made their frustrations known to the relevant authorities, who are able to step in.
My point is that your criticism should have been aimed at those responsible (the traditional owners in question), not at the CLC as an organisation, as the staff are trying to do their job and get something done about the situation.
I was at both Mulga Bore and Angula a little over a week ago, and found very few people at Mulga, and none at Angula.
There were no dead horses that I saw, or smell of dead horses, around the houses then at either place, but there may have been some elsewhere. Of course the carcasses should be disposed of, wherever they are; that is what the writer and the CLC are trying to achieve.

Massive horse deaths now a risk to humans
Hal: How would the Land Council stand legally if it were to destroy the property of a set of traditional owners without their permission? The CLC does not own the horses.
They are either the property of individual traditional owners and traditional owner family groups, or of persons who have contracts with the TOs to allow their horses to be on the TOs’ land.
Or else they are the responsibility of the particular Land Trust trustees on whose land they are located.
Legally the CLC as a statutory body can only consult and advise the traditional owners, and act on their instructions. It cannot make decisions for them without their permission.

Billen’s family: Make telling hotel where you trek mandatory
Ruth Gibbins (Posted January 23, 2019 at 7:55 pm): Monika Billen was not at Trephina Gorge, the park reserve about 85 km east of Alice, where the German couple, the Thors, died from thirst or exposure 12 months ago.
Monika visited a different park reserve, Emily Gap, which is only about 10 km east of Alice. She seemingly walked there by herself on a very hot day, above 40 degrees centigrade.
Monika was apparently found under a tree in a rugged area, well away from the road, about three km back towards Alice from that small gorge.
So she died in the bush about seven km east of Alice, but in the bush, off the road.
There is no established walking track through the bush from Emily Gap to Alice.
Sadly, Monika had been missing for a week before anybody realised that she had not returned from her walk to and from Emily gap, along a non-designated route, in the extreme heat.

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