Crikey Jimmy touched a nerve did I? Where did the …

Comment on Developing the North: Feds pick up Territory proposals by Steve Brown.

Crikey Jimmy touched a nerve did I? Where did the fracking comment come from I wonder?
Still as you’ve made it lets deal with it. There is no difference between horizontal and vertical fracking other than one is vertical the other horizontal.
They are both achieved in the same way – hydraulically.
Anti frackers reacted to the supposedly new term “hydraulic fracking”.
I wasn’t predicting a looming ice age, just pointing out that we have absolutely no idea whatsoever one way or another.
There are many things more frightening than global warming, an ice age is very definitely one of them!
Ice ages mean “no food,” starvation in a very short time for all the beasties of the earth!
I am really just suggesting a bit of calm rational though as opposed to the fanatical and most definitely fanciful propaganda you spit out with all the gusto of a zealot.
There is plenty of reason for concern about some forms of fracking, in particular when it is used to extract coal seam gas as this is shallow and contained within the aquifers.
There is also the use of chemicals to break down the coal to create gas, it’s a horrifying process and I am absolutely opposed to it. That however has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with what is presently happening in the Territory!
The horizontal fracking created by hydraulic pressure that you are so concerned about is taking place some 2000 meters below the aquifers!
This type of fracking does not pose anywhere near the same kind of risk or outcomes that are happening with the coal seam gas in NSW and Queensland.
I am aware that many people have the two confused. I am absolutely certain that you are also aware of this confusion but make no effort to correct the facts.
As for land and soil suitability, Jimmy, you are joking aren’t you? I thought you were from a farming background! Talk about a lack of credibility! This is simply about space and water! We can grow just about anything anywhere!
The Israelis grow oranges by the Dead Sea! The saltiest place on earth!
Our soils are more than adequate. If you had been here longer than five minutes you’d know our local soils produce some of the best citrus in the country.
As for pesticides and fertilisers, the issues are the same wherever you are, they have to be managed wherever you are.
Finally, “climate modelling” is nothing but fanciful bullshit! We can’t predict the weather two weeks in advance and you have us planning ’round what might or might not happen years in advance.
Yes, climate change is happening. Yes, people are more than likely at least partially responsible and, yes, I suppose we could have some effect on that by starving ourselves to death.
You go first, Jimmy. I’ll let you know what happens.

Steve Brown Also Commented

Developing the North: Feds pick up Territory proposals
@ Evelyn: Interesting point I’m sure but nothing whatsoever to do with the conversation at hand, what’s commonly known as a “red herring,” I believe.
@ Fred: Your comments are based on selfishness and ignorance, it’s hardly surprising you are not brave enough to use your name.
While somebody that you judge as being obese is shedding a few kilos through starvation, what do you suppose will become of yourself given your apparently a skinny little thing?
It astounds me that the likes of yourself and Jimmy quote United Nations propaganda on climate change, using it as proof substantiating lefty envenom theories, yet take not the slightest notice of what the same organisation has to say about world food security, preferring to remain blissfully ignorant and uncaring, taking the “I’m alright Jack” approach.
We don’t just grow food to feed ourselves Fred we grow it to earn a living and to help feed the rest of the world! Something about which you either don’t care or clearly haven’t thought.
Further, in exporting to other countries, we create wealth in return, which we then use to feed and provide services to the likes of yourself and Jimmy! The agricultural industry, Fred, also facilitates the establishment of other industries and is as sustainable and as long term as humanity itself! Without it we do not exist.
As a final point, in the ice age scenario or, for that matter, prolonged drought or war – do you really suppose that the various peoples of the earth are going to forego their own sustenance to send it to a bunch of lazy procrastinators on the other side of the planet, who although gifted by nature with a wealth of food producing opportunity, have either been too lazy or to incompetent to get off their backsides and help themselves?
Or do you think they’re going to let us lose weight?
The same question could be asked by the rest of Australia really, you know the same ones who pay us a fortune in GST!
Do you imagine they are just going to keep on doing that from now until eternity with nothing in return?
Time to wake up. We’ve got a world to feed! Children to feed, educate and find Jobs for, obligations to fulfill, given that we, like everyone else, are actually part of the real world!
Not another planet!

Developing the North: Feds pick up Territory proposals
Careful Jimmy your “Watermelon” credentials are showing!
Instead of sitting on your proverbial making yourself even greener envying what others may or may not achieve by taking a risk and hard work, try doing something imaginative and productive yourself, who knows what you might achieve!
As for the Climate Change fear mongering Jimmy you do your case no good at all, in fact you lose all credibility when you use grossly exaggerated unproven statements about all kinds of horrors we can expect if the World doesn’t immediately conform to the “back to the dark ages” mentality of the greens.
Sure there is Climate Change, but what we can expect from that in the way of effects is almost completely unknown for instance we don’t know how much oceans will rise or even if indeed there will be a rise of any significance at all, there is even discussion among some scientists that we may be befitting from the extra warming caused by human activity the extra warmth actually keeping us from diving into a calamitous ice age!
A very quick way indeed to bring about the extinctions you are so worried about!
We do know Jimmy that when the globe warms top temperatures actually come down! Minimums go up, until there is almost no variation! Rain fall goes up! But not severity! The only increase in severity is as a result of more rainfall events.
If you have two years rainfall in one year you are also likely to have two years severe events in one year!
But it doesn’t sound scary enough like that, does it Jimmy!
I am interested to note the growing association between religion and the politics of climate change, seems to be finding common ground more in keeping with its character, the regime of overstatement and fear mongering is more naturally aligned with hell and damnation preaching than it is with anything that could be even remotely be described as science.
Science deals in proven facts! Your message Jimmy is more about the politics of envy using the fact free zone of global climate politics as a convenient vehicle to spread the same discredited agenda that ripped the world apart in the guise of Communism for the most part of the last century.
Time to move on Jimmy take the “Great Leap Forward”! In that place we will deal with climate change in a calm measured and balanced way that will hopefully allow both the Earth and its population’s to survive long enough to get off the Planet before it is eventually wiped from existence sometime in the far distant future [hopefully]. In the meantime the world has to eat! The north of Australia has more landmass, more water than the southern half and a tropical / sub tropical climate, as such it has the potential for even greater production, be assured the demands of world population will force its use sooner rather than later.

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Private forecaster tips massive rains for Alice
Heavy rains will certainly be welcome, no doubt about it Ed, but 30 to 50mm is a long way short of what’s required to produce floods like the one pictured.
That kind of flood requires closer to 200mm over a fairly short period of time … wouldn’t that be nice?

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@ Evelyn: While I agree with the general intent of your comment it is important to note for the interested children’s education, that neither their action nor any taken by this nation will have the slightest effect on the world climate! Even if we could completely halt all of our carbon production tomorrow, it would not make the slightest difference to climate change.
So by all means kids work towards a cleaner environment, cleaner air and cleaner oceans, but don’t be taken for a ride by those who seek to create irrational fears about your own beautiful world, through politically motivated, fear mongering garbage, about climate change.
It is a natural part of our world and always will be!
The thing we really do need to need fear and guard against, are the mindless efforts of indoctrinated climate fanatics who seek through their ignorance and city bred real world isolation, to do something irrational about planetary warming.
It would benefit everyone to keep in mind that a warming climate is a more productive climate, while on the other hand a cooling climate very quickly becomes a threat to all life on earth, through starvation!
Let’s hope we get to sit somewhere in between. In the meantime there is one very real threat we should all fight and guard against, the life threatening efforts of climate science to artificially interfere with our climate. One stupid mistake and “Winter really will be coming”!

‘Arrogant’ government fails to answer 20 questions
Didn’t Robyn spruik long and loud the benefits of having an Independent Member for Araluen?
Now she is completely bound up in petty squabbling about more resources.
And not one single question to Government about things that affect the rest of us.
While the Territory goes to hell in a hand basket!
No pressure on Government at all!
Talk about ineffective.
You are payed a dam good wage plus expenses. Write your own speeches and for the Territory’s sake, get on with the job.
[ED – Mr Brown was the CLP candidate for Araluen.]

Scott McConnell now to vote as an Independent
I very much share Scott’s concerns re the Fifth Floor erosion of basic democracy!
Oversight and control of the bureaucratic machines of government is the sole responsibility of elected community representatives.
Department heads and political advisers roles are just that, to advise and to say “yes, Sir” upon a decision of the elected body.
Unfortunately the lines have become blurred.
Many who have no place actively involve themselves in the political foray, crossing the supposed divide between elected government and administration.
I believe this has come about because the government has become so incestuous, we are electing public servants and political advisers far to often!
Pre-selection committees should keep in mind that the whole concept of democracy and elected government is that the community has control over the government it is subjected to!
I agree totally with Scott on this issue: Time to reinstate democracy!

Emergency Dept presentations back up assault stats
Labor Government withdrew the police from the bottle shops presentations at the hospital blew out! Crimes against the person blew out! Domestic violence blew out!
Police were reinstated to bottle shops and these things returned to their previous levels.
Now we are expected to give some credit for the subsequent reduction in the associated crime figures!
Meanwhile break-ins are up because the numbers of kids on the streets are up and nothing’s been done!
A little birdie indicated just prior to Christmas that the Alice would be getting a 24/7 Youth Centre by boosting Tangentyere Councils Drop in Centre, however since that time … silence!
Apparently the idea has succumbed to budgetary restraint since the announcement that we are broke.
I bet the $200m for the Children and Families Computer system is still going ahead though!
While considering budgetary constraints it would create a better all round result if the Minister was cutting that item rather than the actual on-ground services that have a real chance of making a huge difference to our costs for policing, courts and corrections, while building community confidence and harmony.
Budget constraints, sure, we’ve got to have them, but let’s just think through our priorities before acting: Less bureaucracy, more coal face service!

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