@ Just Sayin. I agree, there is that side to …

Comment on Trees on Melanka block no longer sacred? by Ray.

@ Just Sayin. I agree, there is that side to it as well. My point was that under an Indigenous land use agreement, native title can be extinguished, if the monetary compensation is agreed upon. Everything has its price, if the price is right.
Those who choose to be offended by this will be, not much I can do about that.
Your comments about respecting culture and sacred sites are interesting.
I was unaware that business oportunities to bring tourists into town have been scrapped because we don’t show enough respect and therefore trust does not follow. This is a shame.
Which proposals were they, because the number of bookstores and galleries in town that promote Aboriginal culture are impressive, not to mention the quality of work done by CAAMA that show a culture thriving with modern technology.
Are you referring to the respect and trust shown to local business in town that are actually running and bringing tourists into town that are smashed up, are pelted with rocks, broken into, used as a toilets, etc?
Trust and respect are a two way street, and non-indigenous attractions are also responsible for bringing tourists into town as well.
There is both black and white history in this town, and tourists come here to experience both.
Or maybe they come here for one and learn about the other, how’s that for a win win?
I believe that many developers would be keen to get involved with a project on the Melanka site, but who wants to touch it with the complications of those sacred trees?
I am sure that if one of them died due to construction activity, a huge fine would be written into the contract (dollar value).
Instead, we have an unkempt eyesore in town that could be transformed into something amazing, but it just sits there until the price is right, or they blow over in the next big storm. If it was the tree itelf that was sacred, would a solution be to propogate a cutting and plant that in a place acceptable to the Arrente?
I remember that idea working for a single pine tree that featured on the Turkish peninsula just over 100 years ago.

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Trees on Melanka block no longer sacred?
Hi Russell, glad to see that three words could stir up such a response. How dare you say I am a newcomer? I have been annoying you for years.
My three word initial comment simply stated the obvious. Aboriginal groups are able to negotiate with mining companies (for example) on the exploration / mining on their land.
By negotiate, I mean an agreement to do a certain activity for a particular consideration (money). Many mining companies have been charged and fined for damaging sacred sites.
So one group has agreed to be awarded compensation for the damage caused by the other.
The importance of the site can/has sometimes determined the monetary penalty. You can google that to find the factual links.
Hence, to some degree, sacredness = dollar value is correct.
I remember being told that an event I organized needed a welcome to country speech. I thought OK that’s a nice gesture, and when approaching the appropriate body, was told “yes would love to, the fee will be $300”.
I was gobsmacked that the opportunity to share culture with visitors from around the country was accompanied by a fee schedule.
Sometimes a simple comment is enough to start a conversation, which was my intention, and that worked quite well. Just because I choose not to have my full name published does not invalidate my right to an opinion, it could be that public comment on a public forum and having different opinion to the populist thinking, could be against a policy I work under.

Trees on Melanka block no longer sacred?
Sacredness = dollar value.

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Anger mounting over closing of Rock climb
Interesting there was a death at King’s Canyon recently, but no call to close that.
Marc has some very interesting info on his blog spot, including some dubious figures from deaths at the resort, wished to make it seem they were actually climbing the rock at the time.
Interesting that the truly sacred areas are actuall visible from the base walk.
The climb itself is of no real cultural interest to the Anangu, until the renters told them it was disrespectful.

Aboriginal gallery: rushed business case yet immediate start?
Why do we even need this gallery, that will not even sell Aboriginal art?
Surely money would be better spent as an Aboriginal art destination, promoting the seven or eight galleries already operating in the Mall.
Their knowledgeable staff can explain all that any tourist would want to know.
It would just take clever marketing and promotion, without a need for this proposed massive cost.
The government, with the new juvenile centres in the Alice and Darwin, simply cannot afford it.

Black money
Well said, Evelyne.
The business of grovelling apologies, welcome to country and acknowledgement of country have slowly indoctrinated us to accept this level of racism.
We go on about paying respects to people of the past present, and somehow the future for doing something (not sure what exactly) called nurturing the land.
Yet we totally ignore the explorers, adventurers and pioneers who opened up the country and make us the envy of many countries around the world.
The modern brainwashing we are subject to makes us and everybody believe that all of these people killed Aboriginal people whenever they saw them and stole all their children.
Every time you hear one of these silly speeches, which do nothing to advance rectifying the plight of Aboriginal people, you encourage this sort of racist policy.
It does nothing other than promote white guilt, when in fact we have so much to be proud of.
If it’s good enough to acknowlege the custodians of the land (a people who did not much more than just survive) then it should also include an acknowlegement and thanks to who made this country what it is today.
There is much money to be gained by weaving lies about the nasty white man, and having books published which bend the facts at best, and just make them up at worst.
It is going to get worse, there was never any cultural taboo or lack of respect for climbing the rock, until the white rangers told the Anangu that there was, because rescues are expensive, and the profit margins can be increased by getting rid of those pesky rescues.
My kids were not permitted to attend a comedy workshop a while ago simply because they are white.
Heaven forbid Aboriginal children learn they can have fun and get along with white kids, that would weaken the victim brigade in the years to come.
Next time you are subject to a welcome to country, something that was only invented in ’86 by Ernie Dingo, [remember it is] just as much my country and my children’s.
Or next time you hear an acknowlegement of country, without acknowledging our culture or the contributions of our forebears, turn your back or walk away, and treat these divisive apologist charades with the contempt they deserve.
As far as the scholarships go, give them out based on need, not greed. A simple test would be consider if it is fair if the background of the recipients were reversed.

Proposal to end the code of conduct charade
If Jimmy makes comments as Jimmy, within reason, he is entitled to participate in robust debate.
If he makes comments as Councillor Cocking, then the code could apply.
If not, a large part of the community will be prevented from participating in public discussions. Making a complaint that is found to be frivolous and vexatious, should be an offence in its own right.

Scholarships of up to $60,000 for Aboriginal students
Sorry Erwin, correction to my previous one, bloody iPad comes up with some doozy auto corrects.
First line should read why not a scholarship … etc.
Third line down should be a Top Ender will relate to a central Australian … etc.
Last line should be special measures, not social measures.

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