@ Just Sayin. I agree, there is that side to …

Comment on Trees on Melanka block no longer sacred? by Ray.

@ Just Sayin. I agree, there is that side to it as well. My point was that under an Indigenous land use agreement, native title can be extinguished, if the monetary compensation is agreed upon. Everything has its price, if the price is right.
Those who choose to be offended by this will be, not much I can do about that.
Your comments about respecting culture and sacred sites are interesting.
I was unaware that business oportunities to bring tourists into town have been scrapped because we don’t show enough respect and therefore trust does not follow. This is a shame.
Which proposals were they, because the number of bookstores and galleries in town that promote Aboriginal culture are impressive, not to mention the quality of work done by CAAMA that show a culture thriving with modern technology.
Are you referring to the respect and trust shown to local business in town that are actually running and bringing tourists into town that are smashed up, are pelted with rocks, broken into, used as a toilets, etc?
Trust and respect are a two way street, and non-indigenous attractions are also responsible for bringing tourists into town as well.
There is both black and white history in this town, and tourists come here to experience both.
Or maybe they come here for one and learn about the other, how’s that for a win win?
I believe that many developers would be keen to get involved with a project on the Melanka site, but who wants to touch it with the complications of those sacred trees?
I am sure that if one of them died due to construction activity, a huge fine would be written into the contract (dollar value).
Instead, we have an unkempt eyesore in town that could be transformed into something amazing, but it just sits there until the price is right, or they blow over in the next big storm. If it was the tree itelf that was sacred, would a solution be to propogate a cutting and plant that in a place acceptable to the Arrente?
I remember that idea working for a single pine tree that featured on the Turkish peninsula just over 100 years ago.

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Trees on Melanka block no longer sacred?
Hi Russell, glad to see that three words could stir up such a response. How dare you say I am a newcomer? I have been annoying you for years.
My three word initial comment simply stated the obvious. Aboriginal groups are able to negotiate with mining companies (for example) on the exploration / mining on their land.
By negotiate, I mean an agreement to do a certain activity for a particular consideration (money). Many mining companies have been charged and fined for damaging sacred sites.
So one group has agreed to be awarded compensation for the damage caused by the other.
The importance of the site can/has sometimes determined the monetary penalty. You can google that to find the factual links.
Hence, to some degree, sacredness = dollar value is correct.
I remember being told that an event I organized needed a welcome to country speech. I thought OK that’s a nice gesture, and when approaching the appropriate body, was told “yes would love to, the fee will be $300”.
I was gobsmacked that the opportunity to share culture with visitors from around the country was accompanied by a fee schedule.
Sometimes a simple comment is enough to start a conversation, which was my intention, and that worked quite well. Just because I choose not to have my full name published does not invalidate my right to an opinion, it could be that public comment on a public forum and having different opinion to the populist thinking, could be against a policy I work under.

Trees on Melanka block no longer sacred?
Sacredness = dollar value.

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The stubby, the bottle and the floor price
Interesting figures Eleanor, ar they NT or National?
What is the source of the figures?
If they are the national figures are you saying that 33% of the fatalities are caused by 3% of the population, or that 33% of the fatalities are indigenous and non-indigenous combined, and represent a cause other than alcohol.
Are the stats you are quoting caused by alcohol alone or was it merely a contributing factor? The other two major factors are speed and no seat belts.
If you are quoting the NT figures have you factored in pedestrians being killed on the road (sadly, predominantly Indigenous), overcrowding in a vehicle or tourists falling victim to fatigue, not being used to our uniquely long distances and animals on the road?
Evidence shows that people will pay whatever they need to to get grog, particularly in remote communities where police are still making regular arrests and a bottle of Bundy will sell for well over $100.
You will see an increase in property break-ins and a switch to spirits, with more bang for buck.
Unfortunately for people who are not restricted by a budget, and get large amounts of money on royalty days without equating effort to reward, the floor price may make a small difference, but will just be another addition to the cost of living out here (like fuel costing $1.75 a litre) that will make residing in the NT unviable.
Unfortunately the key to the Territory succeeding primarily rests with increasing our population. While we pander to minority groups and the expense of contributing members of society, that will never happen.

Alice in thrall of week-long sports extravaganza
I think the Games has progressed very well under the guidance of Jim Lawrie and his team.
I have a relative here competing in netball for the first time from WA.
She has been blown away by the event, the vibe in the town, the facilities we have to offer, and the sheer fun it is.
We have done the touristy thing and put some money back into the town, hoping all the businesses in town are enjoying he benefit these visitors.
What a wonderful event to have.
Thanks to Dawn and Darrell, all the ambassadors, the volunteers and the NT Government for your support for our town.

Alcohol floor price may breach Australian Constitution
Hal, substitute the word “any attempt” for “every attempt” and you may get a clearer understanding of people’s concerns.
This is not a one off. Showing ID, banning longnecks, banning casks, the silly one asking where you intended to drink, police outside bottle shops, restricted trading hours.
The problem is every solution affects everybody, yet the core group still drink, steal, bash and humbug. Unfortunately what is the answer? This is always the question.

Alcohol floor price may breach Australian Constitution
Interesting observation Erwin. I normally drink XXX Summer bright and before this silly floor price came in, picked it up for about $46 per carton of 24 stubbies, preferring not to pay the RRP of $55 – $56.
I bought a carton on Sunday night after work and was shocked when I was told that it had gone up to $62. (Gapview). I then settled on a similar alcohol content beer of Iron Jack, which is usually on sale for about $48, that has gone up to $52.
I was led to believe that beer was not the drink of choice for the alcoholics around town, and there would be virtually no difference to a carton of beer.
An increase from $55 to $62 (RRP) 11% is not exactly a negligible increase.
I will need to see what it gets discounted to, so as to get an accurate difference in the discounted rate.
Many social drinkers who did not drink the cheap stuff were probably happy to give it a go if it made a difference, but like reduction in trading hours, showing of ID, a ban on longnecks and all the other restrictions, this idea probably has bugger all chance of working.
Maybe having to show a current payslip might solve the issue, but once again that will affect the tourists, and the pensioners and anybody else that can drink responsibly.
Unfortunately with the price of alcohol, speed and ice may become the drug of choice.
Easy to get, cheap to buy, and made with instructions freely available on the net.
Evelyn, I was told by a workmate yesterday that a workmate has had his wine club membership cancelled because their prices would not comply with these new laws.
Seems the Alice and NT may well lose more normal, hard working, responsible people who contribute to society, leaving to live in any other state where life can continue at normal levels, without everybody being punished for the actions of the few, by a government beholden to the loony left whose grip on the trees is becoming tighter every day.

Ice Age in Alice
Russell, my use of the term mob is a common NT reference to a group of people, mainly Indigenous, who refer to themselves as this mob, that mob, or our mob.
Insinuating that I used the term in a derogatory fashion in reference to your group, (PAAC?) was a collective noun, nothing sinister.
I do not write anonymously, my name is Ray, however as I have explained countless times before, I prefer not to use my surname due to my employers policy on social media posts.
Interesting that you also use a collective noun, inferring that people who enjoy a drink are alcoholics.
You fail to mention that I was not alone in my opposition to the proposed grog ban, the Liquor Commission was the one that overturned it due to no evidence.
An example was used that there was no ban on the sale of full strength grog at the Red Centre NATS.
What alcohol related issues came about from that? None? I’ve just spent a week in Queensland, and amazingly there seemed to be a number of bottle shops within a fairly small radius, with takeaway sales from 10am. Amazingly, no floor price, no real obvious issues.
We don’t have a problem with alcohol, we have a problem with dickheads.
My original issue with your comments still stand, that the demographic who are comming to the games are not the ones that cause the issues in town, and being subjected to the extraordinary banning of many popular types of drinks available at similar types of events around the country had the potential to cause irreversible damage to the reputation of a wonderful event by targeting the entirely wrong audience.
The damage caused would have far outweighed any perceived benifit. Many tourists I have observed and spoken to are incredulous at the current restrictions and laws we already have.

Pseudo: I originally meant to comment on your post (until I felt compelled to reply to Rusell first), by saying that luckily the police do have legal protection if they need to use firearms, as the protection is triggered by the level of threat, not the underlying cause.
If there is a life threatening risk to the officer or another person, section 28 and 29 of the Criminal Code Act (NT) applies and provides a defense for any shooting incident.
Although I do agree, the scourge of ice is a very scary prospect for all people, including front line service personnel, including police, doctors, ambos and hospital staff.
Not forgetting the parents at wits end trying to save their kids who get hooked on this garbage drug.
Thoughts and prayers are with them all.
Sadly it is cheaper and easier to get than grog on remote communities, and is fast becoming the drug of choice over ganja.

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