Comment on Indigenous art gallery centrepiece of Gunner’s plans for Alice by Steve Brown.
Mmmm, Evelyne. An unambiguously unblushing example of unquestioning academic superiority of the kind that sees Aboriginal people being lectured by academics about their own culture, history the way they lived, or the way they are supposed to have lived according to academia, all backed up of course by unquestionable fact, the writings of some uni student doing their thesis.
Referred to locally as “out-Aboriginaling the Aboriginals”. I guess you simply don’t comprehend how aggravatingly disrespectful such comments are to those they seek to portray, just like a green kid walking into a room full of adults and delivering a gushing unquestioning speech that every adult in the room knows to be wrong but are too polite to say.
As a third generation 62-year-old who was born and raised in this place I am absolutely sick of hearing the disrespectful paternalistic bullshit that seeks to portray Aboriginal people as if they lived an idealistic warm and cuddly lifestyle running around patting animals and cuddling trees.
As a bloke who grew up surrounded by these people I can tell you they are practical, hard-nosed and tough as hell people of enormous endurance who did whatever it took to survive in a very harsh environment.
They loved each other, and they fought wars with each other, they took each other’s lands and each other’s lives!
They are in fact people just like you and me Evelyn, genetics clearly show we are related to one another!
So yes, they are just like the peoples of Europe, Evelyne.
We are in fact all of the same big family, and it’s about bloody time we accepted that fact stopped patronising them and got out of their way and their lives allowing them to make their own way in the world, just like the rest of us!
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Indigenous art gallery centrepiece of Gunner’s plans for Alice
@ Ray you make a very good point about referring to Aboriginal people all in the one basket. Just as in Europe Aboriginal people come from many different groups referred to as language or skin groups, there are in fact as many and as varied groupings of Aboriginal peoples on this continent as there are throughout Europe.
Also, just as in Europe, in many cases there is no commonality at all between the groups, there was often full scale conflict between them, they were in fact deadly enemies, yep, just like in Europe, oddly enough, people are people wherever they are!
We need to move our language and our thinking past the condescending paternalism” towards Aboriginal people. I’m sure to some, it gives a nice warm inner glow to refer to Aboriginal peoples all under a single banner, imagining everyone in a nice cooperative huddle of common belief and intention, however that belief is hurtful and paternalistic, as such deeply racist, denying peoples their history and their individuality.
I do however applaud much of what the Chief Minister has to say. I like the Inland Capital concept and will be very interested to hear how he envisions progressing the idea.
As for the National Indigenous Art Gallery….commonality or not there are apparently Federal funds intended to bring about such a project, so what better place than right here, the spiritual and geographical heart of the Continent. A fantastic Art Gallery that adds to the amenity of our community, bringing in many new visitors intent on purchasing Aboriginal Art, it has got to be good for both Artists and of course the local economy, so let’s not lose the opportunity!
As for the placement and the design, how about we give those whose Culture it intends to represent, the opportunity to put forward their own thoughts on the subject before we stifle the process.
Recent Comments by Steve Brown
Gas, fracking: potential benefits to Aborigines enormous
@ Charmaine Roth: Saline water is now deadly non-recyclable waste! Funny, somewhere in this publication is an article about digging out 100% salt for people to eat!
Natural radioactive waste exists throughout the environment and is measurable in many things like bricks and granite tiles or flying on an aircraft.
Rusting steel casing on bore holes, disused holes, are easily dealt with by filling with concrete.
Once this is done they pose no more risk through leaching / penetration than the natural rock formations.
We’ve had several earthquakes in recent times all of which caused cracking between various layers of the earth and its aquifers and on a scale vastly more in excess of any tiny man-made fractures from fracking.
As for the bore numbers and the water usage figures … they’re not stats because they don’t relate to any reality.
You forget to mention the time over which the usage occurs. Why is this important? Because over time the necessary water can be captured in small dams, or it can be non potable water, or saline water which occurs naturally almost everywhere we have aquifers.
Good water that is drawn from aquifers will recharge just like dams over time.
When you add up your figures you make it sound like it’s all happening at once, and when you add to that an enormously exaggerated number of holes.
This creates unnecessary unwarranted fear in the community.
Much of your comment highlights issues occurring in and around the industry over time which have already been addressed by direct action or regulation or both.
Gas, fracking: potential benefits to Aborigines enormous
@ Richard: You might want to discard those rose coloured glasses occasionally, Mate.
Our economy is struggling, many are either already out of work or facing that rather bleak prospect.
Large cuts to public service Jobs have been mooted. It is necessary to take every employment opportunity that comes our way.
@ Bruce: The “Loony left” comment is aimed squarely at the propaganda being put about as fact. There is no scientific of factual basis to it, no interest in rational discussion. Its only intention to confuse and create fear.
When the anti-frackers put a petition to put before council they managed to gain the support of around 2% of the population.
That leaves a whopping 98% who either support the gas industry, don’t care or are undecided, which of course is why I would like to see some rational, factual discussion round the subject.
@ The lefty. Yes we do have lots of gas, all of it very shortsightedly contracted to off-shore interests!
Who do you suppose was in government when that happened in the Territory?
I personally am disgusted by the shortsightedness of that. I am greatly concerned that we appear to have no national institution overseeing the nation’s energy needs, both short and long term.
Even a person like myself, who has spent a lifetime in free enterprise, understands that there are some things governments must do.
I am sure every Australian had some kind of expectation that somewhere there was a government agency looking after the nation’s interests and putting those interests first. Apparently not, just a blind trust in a mish mash of large international businesses supposedly controlled by the “market”!
That I believe is what’s known as a free for all, no responsibility attached. This is something that must change here and now! Government must secure new supplies as they come on line.
Sadly, unless we are prepared to cancel legitimate contracts, there is nothing we can do about the existing gas short of buying it at exorbitant prices.
So, Lefties, unless we get new supplies of gas very soon I guess we are going back to coal.
Wait, maybe that was the whole intention. They do say follow the money, kinda makes you wonder where all those anti fracking funds came from, doesn’t it.
Gas, fracking: potential benefits to Aborigines enormous
@ Bruce F: So what you are suggesting is that fear mongering bullshit from the loony left is somehow more believable than comments from industry sources, the Editor or the CLP.
I beg to differ, mate!
The absolute garbage trotted out, under assumed names more than likely, by the one green organisation, every time conventional and non-conventional gas exploration and its use and transport is raised.
Insulting fear mongering overstatement with complete disregard for the truth no intention of listening to any well-made points, just pure bare faced propaganda.
Which of course points to a well-funded campaign aimed at knocking out the gas industry with scant regard for the simply enormous impact that such a result would have on our nation’s economy.
What are those consequences?
Well, loss of royalties is certainly one of them, but we stand to lose on a much grander scale than that!
Almost immediately in fact, we’ve already seen the first instalment, that would be the loss of GST revenue to the Territory which in turn means the loss of many jobs and government funding which in turn will further exacerbate the revenue problem.
Further to that, as the gas shortage begins to hit major industry, we will see on a national Level a further rapid decline in jobs and revenue!
Yes, these are the consequences!
Consequences that must be weighed against the possible gains for our community. Those gains would include royalties, several thousand jobs in the Territory alone while saving countless jobs elsewhere helping to keep electricity cost down until we can switch to reliable renewables, helping our nation’s economy and in return our GST revenue!
The present campaign against the kind of fracking proposed in the Territory consists of a load of either false or grossly exaggerated propaganda.
Making claims about enormous chemical and water use that are devoid of facts and designed to create fear, you’ve seen more water run through town in the creek over the past months than many thousands of fracked holes would use! On top of that, water is a renewable resource. Every drop of water ever used is still here on earth the campaigners simply want you to believe we are running out. We are not!
As for the hundreds of tons of chemical used for a fracked hole, what they pump into the hole consists mostly of water mixed with sand together with smaller amounts of chemicals, that you can look up online, to create a liquid viscious enough to suspend and carry the sand into the cracks created by pressurising the hole.
After Fracking, has taken place this sludge, bar the wedged sand particles, is pumped out in some cases to be reused. There are very strict protocols around this waste if not reused the water is evaporated off, not lost, and the residue collected for storage.
Is there risk?
Of course, there is risk!
There is risk with everything we do, driving cars, flying planes pouring, oil products onto the earth to make roads. We dig enormous holes kilometres into the earth searching for minerals, we carry truckloads of lethal chemicals and explosives right through the middle of our towns and cities on a daily basis.
Many of these things are vastly more risky than conventional and non-conventional fracking.
The discussion weighing up the risks needs to take on a wider and more balanced perspective keeping in mind that large parts of the states which provide our GST revenue are already fracked and are probably going to take a very dim view of the NT staying frack free at their expense.
And of course, we need to weigh what we stand to gain, against those risks, that is why we need good information not senseless hysterical propaganda aimed at pushing the lunatic fringe’s doomsday agenda.
Salt mine: Alice needs to grasp a major opportunity
“Pathetic” is a good description for someone too gutless to put their name to a comment.
Legitimate questions come with a legitimate verifiable names – happy to answer any of those that I can.
I won’t however answer tawdry obvious push propaganda, questions that treat Alice Springs News readers like a bunch of fools!
You should direct questions about the mining process to Tellus Salt, they have been very open throughout the process to date, regularly and openly consulting the public through a series of public presentations.
The last of these were in open council and before media just a couple of weeks ago … hence my letter asking the question that should be on everyone’s lips if this project goes ahead and it appears to be very much on track to do so.
What does our community gain from it? Is there opportunity for us? What do we as a community do take advantage of the available opportunity?
Or are we simply going to be bystanders watching a wonderful natural resource disappear much like Northern Gas.
Kadaitchaman makes trouble in juvenile detention
Here we go again making victims out of the aggressors, out-Aboriginalling the Aboriginals.
Dr Rynne’s evidence, or better termed stereotyped waffle, is not the answer.
In fact, Dr Rynne’s condescending paternalism reflects the very basis of the disease, people like himself who argue for stereotyped crap based on some bull they’ve read or heard somewhere, maybe second hand down the pub.
Shame he couldn’t have worked min min lights into the evidence somewhere, every bit as credible as the rest of it.
Dr Rynne, Aboriginal people are humans just like you and me these children are mostly born in towns to parents who have lived in towns for generations.
They don’t require condescending special treatment, they don’t require some wacko special treatment based on some stereotyped academic perception of Aboriginal “culture”.
They require the same equality, the same firm unyielding discipline, respect and outcomes you would look for if it were your own children.
These are kids in trouble causing trouble, they are kids from all kinds of backgrounds children of mixed race and cultures.
What they and the community requires are custodial sentences aimed in their entirety, at rehabilitation, as opposed to just locking them up!
When it becomes necessary to send kids to jail we want an intervention in their lives that eventually returns them as useful functioning citizens who have some chance of creating a productive happy life for themselves and their community.
If they want culture, whatever the origins of that culture might be, they can seek that out for themselves, hopefully they’ll find someone who actually knows something about it to inform them.