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Comment on Salt mine: Alice needs to grasp a major opportunity by Steve Brown.

“Pathetic” is a good description for someone too gutless to put their name to a comment.
Legitimate questions come with a legitimate verifiable names – happy to answer any of those that I can.
I won’t however answer tawdry obvious push propaganda, questions that treat Alice Springs News readers like a bunch of fools!
You should direct questions about the mining process to Tellus Salt, they have been very open throughout the process to date, regularly and openly consulting the public through a series of public presentations.
The last of these were in open council and before media just a couple of weeks ago … hence my letter asking the question that should be on everyone’s lips if this project goes ahead and it appears to be very much on track to do so.
What does our community gain from it? Is there opportunity for us? What do we as a community do take advantage of the available opportunity?
Or are we simply going to be bystanders watching a wonderful natural resource disappear much like Northern Gas.

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Salt mine: Alice needs to grasp a major opportunity
@ Jimmy: As always he is pushing propaganda and half truths.
The salt mine business case is based on the mining and sale of salt the space created by that activity is available for storage and as such makes up “part” of the business plan.
Storage in a salt mine is a logical natural fit as salt deposits are considered to be the world’s most stable geological formations which have zero connection to water bearing aquifers.
We know that because salt can’t exist in the rock form where there is water.
This salt is five hundred million years old. That’s twice the age of other well know salt deposits, making this mine arguabley the world’s safest storage location and certainly much safer than an wherever waste products are presently stored.
The mine will have space available for storage for all kinds of products, clearly we will be relying on our Government to regulate what the stored waste can consist of.
That regulation can occur under the Mining Act or whatever Act Government chooses, governments write acts, Jimmy.
It could even occur under a specifically written Act called “The Chandler Salt Mine Act of 2017”.
However, in all the discussion we should not lose sight of the existence of waste products of almost infinite variety that require safe storage until the world finds another way to deal with them.
Nor should we ever lose site of our combined responsibility for those products! All in all just another very urgent reason for Government to get publicly involved in this project.


Salt mine: Alice needs to grasp a major opportunity
@ Alex: Just because we made a stupid short sighted mistake once before doesn’t mean we a destined to repeat that same mistake over and over.
We are humans we are supposedly in possession of a level of intelligence that allows us to view our mistakes and learn from them.
There is no comparison however between Tanami, some 600 km, away and a mine project that could drive its staff to work from town if there was good all weather access.
The salt mine is quite prepared to go ahead without that access in fact I think they prefer the FIFO option.
I’m suggesting that we negotiate an outcome that is more beneficial to the region so that we aren’t eventually left with no gain and a big hole! I’m suggesting we legislate FIFO, making it much more difficult to base projects on its use.
At the same time we negotiate the funding for the road, a road that we need anyway, regardless of the mine.
I’m suggesting we leverage the absolute maximum outcome for our community from this project. If we can’t achieve that in the final analysis we certainly should be questioning whether or not we want this project.
Further to all of that, the salt mine is not the only project close to town currently considering its options for staffing.
So right now is a very good moment for a new government to set some direction and to show some willingness to make deals that maximise outcomes for all parties.


Salt mine: Alice needs to grasp a major opportunity
Sigh. It’s no bloody wonder our town struggles to lift itself off the deck when you read comments like some of these. I guess that’s why you won’t put your names on your posts. A tiny little bit embarrassed? Completely understand why you would be.
The salt mine doesn’t need the road. They are quite happy to run a fly in fly out operation and in fact would like an excuse to do so. They are sealing the necessary operational transport route to the rail head, some 10 km.
Alice Springs needs the road sealed if we want to attract the workforce to be permanently based in our town, growing our economy!
Along with that workforce we also get the local business boosting ability to provide services. And we get to be involved in the tourism and ornamental side of the salt mine.
The road will not only serve the mine. It will serve the pastoral industry, the tourist industry, it will also provide all weather access to the community of Titijkala.
It will provide all weather access to the off-road facility facilitating the establishment of a vehicle testing industry, already in the wind.
It will provide access to the proposed blocks and tourist facilities at Ooraminna. It will provide all weather dust and rut free access to the Finke track or at least the first 100 km of it, to the date farm, to future business.
Yes! This is a service road that we must eventually seal anyway.
In fact, the NT Government has just very short sightedly clawed back the funding for the first 20 km of it, otherwise work would be already underway!
Why wouldn’t we want the jobs for our kids? Try and understand the earnings from this project into our town over a 25 year period, extrapolate that out to a couple of hundred years of rates on two hundred houses. 200 high income wage packets into our economy every week!
The extra jobs over and above the mining jobs in service industries the extra bods in our community organisations!
The facts are that if we a clever enough if we move fast enough the Alice stands to gain mightily from this project.
The alternative, if we think it’s all OK to sit around on our non-contributing proverbials worrying that someone might get something for nothing, while contributing somewhere around nothing ourselves, I guess we’ll get what we deserve as well.
A big fat nothing.


Recent Comments by Steve Brown

Independents now ineffective?
Alex, as always the history is interesting and I’m quite sure no one will be volunteering to depart on this occasions either, however the point that I am making is that it is no longer allowable to run as a party associated independent and given that fact how can anyone lawfully “become” a party associated “independent” while in Office?
Then of course there is the fact that these people have portrayed themselves as independents and were elected on that basis.
Basic honesty and decency would say that they remain independent or go back to the people.
Eli … well if anyone was going to approve of directionless political flip flopping with your track record, it would be yourself. You might want to note however, that a bit of noise in the media is not effective opposition, its called grandstanding!
Further to that, it was not me that made the call on the ineffectiveness or otherwise of both Terry and Robyn as MLAs.
They have done that themselves, loudly and clearly in the media! I am simply picking up on their stated ineffectiveness, asking if they consider themselves ineffective, surely we, the electorate, should do the same.
Further to all of that, in the Territory Parliament the official Opposition has to come from a registered party. And candidates for registered parties have to declare themselves as such in the election process.
I am questioning the legality of making the switch after being elected, because it could be construed that it was always their intention, therefore throwing into doubt they were ever independent.
I think the electorates are also entitled to ask, are independents turning on the official Opposition instead of concentrating whatever energy and resources they have, on holding the Government to account. Is that effective opposition?


Council shoots Anzac precinct gallery down in flames
Just another moment in the most inept and arrogant handling of a project proposal I have ever encountered.
At this place in time we have to ask ourselves if the intent to deliver a gallery was ever there. Was it simply smoke and mirrors, covering no real intention to commit funds?
What else could it be when, if the intent was genuine, the NT Government could resolve the issues with council with one meeting!
In that meeting all they must do is commit to working “with” council on the project design and implementation, as has been done on many previous occasions.
What is so dammed hard about that?
Unless either are completely arrogant, just plain stupid or a totally inept combination of both.
Whatever it is, one thing is absolutely for certain this project, if there ever was one, is now very much at risk!
So where are you, local Labor people?
Where are our local Members?
Where the bloody hell are you?
If you believe in us, in Alice Springs and its future just walk into council and resolve this issue, cooperatively!
Yes, today!
If you can’t bring yourselves to do that, then you deserve to be condemned by your community.
What a bloody disgrace!


Govt spokesman hits out at Opposition over floor price
Good on ya Garry, now your making some sense.
This floor price idiocy will be Michael Gunner’s Carbon Tax, nothing is more certain.
Michael went to a great deal of trouble making absolutely certain that Territorians understood that there would be “no floor price on alcohol under their government”.
They understood the electoral consequences. They have fooled themselves into believing that introducing one on the basis of Justice Riley’s report would somehow absolve them of their fervent promise.
It most certainly does not and it most certainly won’t protect them from the consequences!
Territorians are simply fed up with ill conceived academic social experiments obviously completely devoid of real world experience. The average three year old could tell you that they will have no beneficial effect.
The implementation in fact having the affect of penalising those who work hard, suffer long, doing the right thing by their community, simply to get at a small minority intent on self destruction at any cost.
This action sends completely the wrong signals to both parties: Hard work and responsibility penalised; sloth, while not rewarded, creating a penalty for everyone else. This has an unhealthy affect on the mental health of the wider community feeding anger and disenchantment, creating resentment, some directed at Government as it should be, but also at problem drinkers, worsening their acceptance by community and their plight along with it.
The mental Health benefits for the average person of having a relaxing drink or two with their mates are immeasurable, and I’m pretty bloody certain that Territorians aren’t going to give them up!
Punishing the entire community like a school teacher keeping in the whole class to punish one naughty child is simply unjust and cannot be justified by result!
Let us re-commit to mandatory rehabilitation while toughening up on secondary supply and the service of alcohol to drunks!
As for the tiny unelected non representative group who constantly winge about consumption and put forward these ridiculous solutions, why not do both yourselves and more importantly the Territory a favour: Find somewhere else to live.


Ice Age in Alice
No matter what issue is raised there is always the predictable head in the sand or more likely protect my own backside response from the few. This is no matter what the outcome for community. It is rather sad and sickening.
Nothing would make me happier than if I was wrong in regards to growing use of ice in our communities.
I wonder, did you actually read the article above, Eugenes Mate?
Might be time you and your fictitious mates went along to DASA and had a good talk.
I am suggesting a heavy handed community response before ice becomes endemic, not after the fact.
Believe me, once it’s here at those levels, there is almost no way back.
So yes, if we have genuine, as opposed to a bought and paid for 9 to 5 concern for our community, we damn well should be panicking about the level of ice penetration and we should be reacting harshly against it, not wasting millions on pathetic ineffective social experiments around further restricting access to alcohol, adding fuel to the fire while Rome burns.


Ice Age in Alice
It’s good to see this issue finally raised in a public forum, a massively escalating issue in both the town and surrounding communities for a long time.
Make absolutely no mistake about it, some of that escalation is a direct outcome of various social experiments from governments, measures to curb the use of alcohol, particularly increasing the price, either in dollar terms or in the difficulty of obtaining it.
Worse, while raising the price of alcohol is a direct slap in the face, extra tax on the average hard working citizen of the Territory, it will inevitably lead us into a much harder place as those intent on self destruction switch to a cheaper easier to obtain evil that is ice.
The attitudes towards this escalating issue so amply displayed by Russell’s comment “we can put dollars saved on alcohol abuse towards ice rehab”.
Yep, that’s the attitude of the “Bureaucrats Alcohol Action Coalition” BAAC.
They are back again and along with them, escalating mayhem.
Not only are their social experiments just shifting the issue at the expense of community goodwill, they are leading us at ever increasing pace into the vile dark horror that is an ice endemic.
It is far more violent and far more destructive than anything we’ve seen locally to date.
As a worker in the building industry I have rubbed shoulders with many consumed by this vile substance.
I’ve seen the lights go out in the brightest of eyes.
The issue requires a massive community response providing education to the kids, rehab to the usurers and a massive crackdown on both supply and use.
Forced time away via a prison sentence is often the only useful intervention.
Believe me, having witnessed first hand the horrors of this drug, alcohol abuse should, when taking preventative actions, be considered very much the lesser of two evils!
Action against alcohol that drives abusers to ice should be considered as in keeping with the Territory Governments new theme as Boundless Stupidity!


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