G’Day Erwin, I did not say, or imply most of the …

Comment on Loop Road heading towards jobs by Charlie Carter.

G’Day Erwin,
I did not say, or imply most of the things you attributed to me. I was raising some facts that may have had a bearing on the decision.
It would be good to hear what the Traditional Owners have to say. I recollect that the access to the interior was intended to be low key and limited.
Rather than the bold suggestion that the 6km be sealed perhaps a more nuanced solution could be found.
You did not address the point that the last part of the track goes along a creek, and for practical and environmental reasons (as well as possible cultural ones) it could not be sealed.
Maybe the access road up to that point could be upgraded, with a parking area there, and those without 4WD could walk in (I estimate about 1.5 km)
The caravaners may also feel more comfortable about leaving their vans in a designated car park off the main road.
Several attractions in the West Macs require a short walk, such as Serpentine Gorge, and Redbank Gorge so it is not without precedent.

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Loop Road heading towards jobs
Erwin, a further clarification.
You wrote: “Are you saying the access road to Palm Valley in such poor condition because it is a sacred site?”
No! Look at the sentence as a whole: “The road also follows a creek bed to pass into the inside of the impact structure. The same limitations surely apply to it as to the Palm Valley track, although on a smaller scale.”
To be absolutely clear, the limitation is because both run along a watercourse.
As a further thought, perhaps with the consent of the TOs, the parking area suggested could be a “bush” camping ground. Just VIP (ventilation improved pit) dunnies, bring everything else, like Redbank.
It could be a great experience, and a programmed stopover on the loop. Park the van, or the 2WD, set up camp, walk into the impact structure, perhaps watching the sunset. Stay the night in the campground, and see the sunrise on the outer rim in the morning.
Next stop the camp ground at Ntaria, leave the 2WD vehicle (or the van) there and take the day trip into Palm valley.

Loop Road heading towards jobs
It is a while since I’ve been to Tnorala (Gosse Bluff) but it is a registered sacred site.
This will surely place limitations on it in regard to major earthworks such as a sealed road.
The road also follows a creek bed to pass into the inside of the impact structure. The same limitations surely apply to it as to the Palm Valley track, although on a smaller scale.
As for the caravaners, they could unhook their vans and leave them at the main road for a trip into Tnorola. Perhaps there could be a parking area for this.

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Beautifully said Russell.
Thank you.

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To repeat previous suggestions:
The National Indigenous Art Gallery and a Cultural Centre could be on the same site, but somewhat separate entities, and the Melanka site seems the obvious choice.
For the Residential Capacity Report (modelling how dwellings could be established in the CBD) the Railway Freight yard should be moved to the Brewer Estate, freeing up a perfect site for “in town” (if not technically CBD) medium density residential development.
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Either I am not understanding Heather Wells’ comment, or she is misunderstanding the issue.
It is not about the two flags in the pic, it is about an additional flag, the Aboriginal flag.

As for the question;
“Is it to recognise the significance of the site to Arrernte people, which is quite separate from and predates anything to do with serving in the armed forces? Is it to more broadly acknowledge Arrernte people as the traditional owners of the land where the town has grown? Or is to recognise the participation of Aboriginal people in Australia’s armed conflicts?”

May I suggest “all of the above”?

As a point of clarity, as far as I am aware Australian forces have never fought under, or been represented by the NT flag. Always the Australian flag (in various forms, but that is another story).

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Yes Erwin, as I have written elsewhere: “Territorians need more than ‘bread and circuses’ from their Government,” but all we got is a couple of circuses, not even some bread.
These taxpayer funded circuses are always justified as bringing hundreds of thousands of dollars without any solid evidence.
I very much doubt anyone came to the Centre to see the light show. Naturally a few that were coming anyway went to see it, but that doesn’t constitute extra dollars.
As for the NATS I don’t think my tax dollars should be spent so that silly people can destroy expensive tyres creating massive stink, noise and pollution.
And I’m not just a basket weaving greenie, I still ride a motorcycle (at 71).
Even with the few hundred (my estimate) who came for the NATS, the main benefit probably went to the big accommodation places, most of which are interstate owned. And now tax payer subsidised.
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Erwin, the dust cloud picture does not have a date.
When was it ?
It was not mentioned in the story, but the subliminal message is “overgrazing leads to dust storm”.
I doubt very much that this is the case.
In fact I would guess that the dust cloud dates from years ago in the big dry of the 90s.
Cattlemen would not be paying for agistment if the land was bare.
Please identify the date for the picture.
[ED – Hi Charlie, I don’t have the date. I chose the picture as a metaphor for the latest controversy in the APY lands.]

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