@ Jameel: I really hope you are being sarcastic when …

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@ Jameel: I really hope you are being sarcastic when you say “who are they?”
Do I really need to explain that “they” are the grandmothers that are calling for these young ones to go out bush, learn their ways and culture and be removed from town instead of being locked up. This used to be done in the 70s, when the young ones were going off the rails, they were sent to family on out stations, where they learnt their “cultural responsibilities”.
Unfortunately all these solutions are suggested when it is too late.
Only after the kids have robbed, stolen, destroyed, harassed, broken etc, and they have been to court, and sent to detention as a last resort to these so called concerned grandmothers shake their heads about what would be best for the kids.
Surely if they had these concerns, they would have sent the kids out bush when they first started getting into trouble.
With such a strong and close family bond, these grandmothers know what the kids are up to, and they certainly have family who live out bush who could take these kids for a while, like used to happen.
Unfortunately these family structures have broken down, and it is now easier to blame everybody else for their woes, because they can no longer control their own kids appalling behavior, lack of respect and willingness to use violence.

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With 51% of the NT being Aboriginal land, why are they not doing this?


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Alice in thrall of week-long sports extravaganza
I think the Games has progressed very well under the guidance of Jim Lawrie and his team.
I have a relative here competing in netball for the first time from WA.
She has been blown away by the event, the vibe in the town, the facilities we have to offer, and the sheer fun it is.
We have done the touristy thing and put some money back into the town, hoping all the businesses in town are enjoying he benefit these visitors.
What a wonderful event to have.
Thanks to Dawn and Darrell, all the ambassadors, the volunteers and the NT Government for your support for our town.


Alcohol floor price may breach Australian Constitution
Hal, substitute the word “any attempt” for “every attempt” and you may get a clearer understanding of people’s concerns.
This is not a one off. Showing ID, banning longnecks, banning casks, the silly one asking where you intended to drink, police outside bottle shops, restricted trading hours.
The problem is every solution affects everybody, yet the core group still drink, steal, bash and humbug. Unfortunately what is the answer? This is always the question.


Alcohol floor price may breach Australian Constitution
Interesting observation Erwin. I normally drink XXX Summer bright and before this silly floor price came in, picked it up for about $46 per carton of 24 stubbies, preferring not to pay the RRP of $55 – $56.
I bought a carton on Sunday night after work and was shocked when I was told that it had gone up to $62. (Gapview). I then settled on a similar alcohol content beer of Iron Jack, which is usually on sale for about $48, that has gone up to $52.
I was led to believe that beer was not the drink of choice for the alcoholics around town, and there would be virtually no difference to a carton of beer.
An increase from $55 to $62 (RRP) 11% is not exactly a negligible increase.
I will need to see what it gets discounted to, so as to get an accurate difference in the discounted rate.
Many social drinkers who did not drink the cheap stuff were probably happy to give it a go if it made a difference, but like reduction in trading hours, showing of ID, a ban on longnecks and all the other restrictions, this idea probably has bugger all chance of working.
Maybe having to show a current payslip might solve the issue, but once again that will affect the tourists, and the pensioners and anybody else that can drink responsibly.
Unfortunately with the price of alcohol, speed and ice may become the drug of choice.
Easy to get, cheap to buy, and made with instructions freely available on the net.
Evelyn, I was told by a workmate yesterday that a workmate has had his wine club membership cancelled because their prices would not comply with these new laws.
Seems the Alice and NT may well lose more normal, hard working, responsible people who contribute to society, leaving to live in any other state where life can continue at normal levels, without everybody being punished for the actions of the few, by a government beholden to the loony left whose grip on the trees is becoming tighter every day.


Ice Age in Alice
Russell, my use of the term mob is a common NT reference to a group of people, mainly Indigenous, who refer to themselves as this mob, that mob, or our mob.
Insinuating that I used the term in a derogatory fashion in reference to your group, (PAAC?) was a collective noun, nothing sinister.
I do not write anonymously, my name is Ray, however as I have explained countless times before, I prefer not to use my surname due to my employers policy on social media posts.
Interesting that you also use a collective noun, inferring that people who enjoy a drink are alcoholics.
You fail to mention that I was not alone in my opposition to the proposed grog ban, the Liquor Commission was the one that overturned it due to no evidence.
An example was used that there was no ban on the sale of full strength grog at the Red Centre NATS.
What alcohol related issues came about from that? None? I’ve just spent a week in Queensland, and amazingly there seemed to be a number of bottle shops within a fairly small radius, with takeaway sales from 10am. Amazingly, no floor price, no real obvious issues.
We don’t have a problem with alcohol, we have a problem with dickheads.
My original issue with your comments still stand, that the demographic who are comming to the games are not the ones that cause the issues in town, and being subjected to the extraordinary banning of many popular types of drinks available at similar types of events around the country had the potential to cause irreversible damage to the reputation of a wonderful event by targeting the entirely wrong audience.
The damage caused would have far outweighed any perceived benifit. Many tourists I have observed and spoken to are incredulous at the current restrictions and laws we already have.

Pseudo: I originally meant to comment on your post (until I felt compelled to reply to Rusell first), by saying that luckily the police do have legal protection if they need to use firearms, as the protection is triggered by the level of threat, not the underlying cause.
If there is a life threatening risk to the officer or another person, section 28 and 29 of the Criminal Code Act (NT) applies and provides a defense for any shooting incident.
Although I do agree, the scourge of ice is a very scary prospect for all people, including front line service personnel, including police, doctors, ambos and hospital staff.
Not forgetting the parents at wits end trying to save their kids who get hooked on this garbage drug.
Thoughts and prayers are with them all.
Sadly it is cheaper and easier to get than grog on remote communities, and is fast becoming the drug of choice over ganja.


Apex Club ‘fenced out’ of running Masters Games bars
Russell, it is phenomenal that you are unable to understand basic concepts.
1. It is not the people going the games opening and closing that cause the social issues. The police and hospital records that you speak of prove this.
2. It is not hypocritical whatsoever to be honest as to the identity of the main perpetrators, this is called specific, not generalist observations. Sit in any session of Local Court and see the bulk of the accused, listen to the facts and tell me again which section of the community is most affected.
3. The liquor commission were the ones who lambasted the police for their recommendation as it is not evidenced based and not consistent with other similar events around town.
4. Your reference to police who lost their lives to prop up your discredited argument is a disgrace. There is no nexus between major events in this town and the loss of life by our front line defenders. Nobody has fobbed them off, I did however question the conditions they proposed, and were knocked back on. These sorts of decisions are made by senior police, not front line officers. Once again It is abhorrent you chose to use this argument.
5. That a service club, performing the same role as they have since 1998, losing its biggest income earner proves that I am confused?
6. There are other jurisdictions around the country, not just the NT, maybe visit a large event in one of those areas and see how alcohol is enjoyed responsibly. You will be surprised to know that it is done exactly the same as every other Masters Games we have here. That is by bar staff abiding by responsible service of alcohol and effective security removing potential troublemakers.
7. Using my name is not being anonymous. For a number of reasons, including restrictions by my employer, I choose not to use my last name. My points are no less valid. Maybe you wish to stalk me on social media, I do not know, but maybe you should get over it.


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