Re the question: ‘Have firefighters watched some trees in the …

Comment on Only firefighters decide on how to deal with individual fires by Bob Durnan.

Re the question: ‘Have firefighters watched some trees in the Todd burn?’ and the response from John Kleeman, that this has ‘only [happened] when any further effort to fight the fire would be “to no avail”‘.
Can we have an assurance from Mr Kleeman that, regardless of whatever may have happened in the past, in future firefighters will make attempts, when possible, to douse fires around the base of trees before the trees themselves are alight? From my observations such efforts have not been occurring in at least some instances where they have appeared to be both possible and sensible.
With regards to Mr Kleeman’s later statement that “We have tried blocking them off and filling them up with water but it’s been to no avail. … once that chimneying effect has started, it’s all but impossible to put out.” What he says is undoubtedly true in some instances. On the other hand, private citizens have successfully extinguished some of these ‘smoking chimneys’ by taking the actions Kleeman outlines, on the day after the trees have caught fire, in cases where there is no sign that the firefighters have tried to plug the ‘chimneys’ or douse the smouldering hollows.
Perhaps there is a disconnect between Mr Kleeman’s strong desire to see trees saved, and what is actually happening in some of these cases.

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They have now made their frustrations known to the relevant authorities, who are able to step in.
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Hal: How would the Land Council stand legally if it were to destroy the property of a set of traditional owners without their permission? The CLC does not own the horses.
They are either the property of individual traditional owners and traditional owner family groups, or of persons who have contracts with the TOs to allow their horses to be on the TOs’ land.
Or else they are the responsibility of the particular Land Trust trustees on whose land they are located.
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