@John I appreciate your concern about a matter being moved from …

Comment on Leaked letter casts light on town council pool fiasco by Hal Duell.

@John
I appreciate your concern about a matter being moved from Confidential into Open by stealth. To clarify my position on this, and hopefully to alleviate your concerns, what follows is a rough draft of a petition I plan to present to the next Town Council.
I have included my reasons at the end.
In every public meeting, and immediately prior to Council adjourning from Open to Confidential, the public in the gallery would be asked if they wished to challenge the placement of any matter listed on the meeting’s agenda for discussion in Confidential.
In the event of a challenge, the Council officer(s) who placed that matter in Confidential would be asked to explain why they did so.
The Councillors would then vote to move the matter into Open, or to keep it in Confidential. The details of the matter being challenged would not be debated until it was determined where that debate was to take place. If the determination was to move it into Open, the debate would then proceed. If the determination was to keep it in Confidential, the meeting would adjourn into Confidential and the public and press would leave the chamber.
I appreciate that this could add to the time needed for an already long meeting.
To make this change easier to support, may I suggest that:
1) The right to challenge would not be used often or lightly.
2 Any change to Council’s fixed agenda that increases the public’s confidence that all business conducted by Council is transparent and accountable is a change for the better.
3 Any change to Council’s fixed agenda that allows for greater public participation in Council’s public meetings is a change for the better.

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Leaked letter casts light on town council pool fiasco
Thank you Steve and Liz for your in principle support.
I am drafting a petition to allow this question that I plan to present to the first meeting of the 12th Alice Springs Town Council.
That will be on the 16th of April, and I hope to see you both there.
And a suggestion, Liz, if I may. Don’t ask if such an innovation is allowed under the Local Government Act. Ask if it’s not allowed. No one willingly gives up power, or likes to see it challenged.


Leaked letter casts light on town council pool fiasco
Since I first started attending Council meetings eight years ago, one of my perennial requests has been for the public to have the right to challenge confidential.
At public meetings of the Byron Bay Shire Council, just before the meetings adjourn into Confidential the public in the Gallery is asked if anyone wants to challenge whether or not a matter on the agenda could be discussed in Open.
On the day I was there, a matter was challenged. The Council officers argued to keep it in, but the Councillors voted to take it out. The matter was then debated in Open.
Every time I have raised this idea, there has been a mildly hysterical response assuming that I am asking that the public be given the right to determine whether or not a matter is for Open or Confidential.
Not true. At all times the Councillors would be the ones making any determination, but the public would have the right to challenge.
Perhaps if the Alice Springs Town Council adopted this practice, more oversight would be shown by the public resulting in a greater degree of transparency and, hopefully, fewer kerfuffles such as the current one regarding the YMCA and the pool.
The agendas for both Open and Confidential are posted on Council’s website by the close of business on the Friday before all Council’s Monday meetings. So it’s not hard to stay informed.


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Pine Gap and Five Eyes: what did they know about COVID-19?
Charlie, Did you see the Donald on tonight’s news? If I’m not mistaken he’s suggesting people inject ultraviolet light (is that possible?) and/or a cleaning fluid.
Clearly the man is as mad as a meat axe, but he does have the world hanging on and repeating his every word.
And you say you are not amused? Chill! At least Putin is (for now?) off the hook.
China did it.
And just to clarify, I did say conspiracy theories are, or can be, amusing. That’s because they are.
I also think the flim flam man is a hoot and good fun. That’s because he is.
I did not say the death of 50,000 is amusing or fun, and it’s a cheap ad hominum misdirection from you to insinuate I did.


Pine Gap and Five Eyes: what did they know about COVID-19?
Fair go, Charlie.
You use terms like “robust form of evidence”, and “very strong indicator” to advance a theory, and then level suggestions of conspiracy theories on any other interpretation.
All I’m saying is an open mind is a good mind to have.
As for conspiracy theories, they’re entertaining. Mostly bullshit, a bit like elections, but good fun. Just watch the Golden Golem of Greatness, the great flim flam man himself. Do you really think he’s not enjoying himself?


Pine Gap and Five Eyes: what did they know about COVID-19?
@ Charlie Carter, Posted April 22, 2020 at 2:59 pm: I wish I could share your certainty that the origin of Covid-19 is settled, but I rather think an open mind here might be more useful.
As this attempt to assign culpability to China progresses, and with the emergence of quite massive legal cases gaining momentum in the US, China will defend herself.
It will be at least interesting, and possibly informative, to learn what she has to say about how and where this all started.
And isn’t it true that as new evidence emerges, scientific theses evolve? I doubt if any of this is fully done and dusted just yet.


Lucky the Town Council isn’t in the forestry business
Gnoilya, I certainly did not intend to come across as whining, more like just pointing out the absurdity of the situation.
However, since you not only misspelt my name, but also managed to miss my point, I wonder if that makes you a stationary vertical object?


Pine Gap and Five Eyes: what did they know about COVID-19?
An answer to the leading question in the above story can be found toward the end of an article found here.(When the author speaks of our government and an ABC News story, he is speaking as an American.)
“But with the horrific consequences of our own later governmental inaction being obvious, sources within our intelligence agencies have sought to demonstrate that they were not the ones asleep at the switch. Earlier this month, an ABC News story cited four separate government sources to reveal that as far back as late November, a special medical intelligence unit within our Defense Intelligence Agency had produced a report revealing than an out-of-control disease epidemic was occurring in the Wuhan area of China, and widely distributed that document throughout the top ranks of our government, warning that steps should be taken to protect US forces based in Asia. After the story aired, a Pentagon spokesman officially denied the existence of that November report, while various other top level government and intelligence officials refused to comment. But a few days later, Israeli television revealed that in November American intelligence had indeed shared such a report on the Wuhan disease outbreak with its NATO and Israeli allies, thus seeming to independently confirm the complete accuracy of the original ABC story and its several government sources.
It therefore appears that elements of the Defense Intelligence Agency were aware of the deadly viral outbreak in Wuhan more than a month before any officials in the Chinese government itself. Unless our intelligence agencies have pioneered the technology of precognition, I think this may have happened for the same reason that arsonists have the earliest knowledge of future fires.”
I consider that there have been two, and now three, seminal events over the course of my life:
1) Was there a second shooter in Dallas?
2) How did Building Number 7 collapse into its own footprint?
3) Where did Covid-19 come from


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