@ Lone Dingo Upper case, and Nazi refers to a German …

Comment on Brown’s “blow-in Enviro-Nazi” blast draws formal complaint by Hal Duell.

@ Lone Dingo
Upper case, and Nazi refers to a German member of Alolf Hitler’s political party.
Lower case, and nazi is a derogatory term for a person who is fanatically dedicated to, or seeks to control, some activity or practice.
In my comment last March I used the upper case, a point easily checked. I stand by that comment.
One point I find interesting in this debate is that no one bothered to object when I used the same term – enviro-nazi – in a satirical reply to a comment posted on this website by Cr Brown’s wife, Janet Brown, only a couple of weeks ago.
But did I use the upper or the lower case? I forget, but if it was the upper then I was wrong to do so, and I apologise.

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Brown’s “blow-in Enviro-Nazi” blast draws formal complaint
I’m still not sure just how important regional biodiversity and the surrounding natural environment as we now know it is. The genie seems to be well and truly out of the bottle as regards imported plant, animal and human inhabitants here in central Australia.
And given that if climate change is anywhere near as real as we are led to believe, the chances are we will experience a growth in all three categories, probably sooner rather than later.
Why limit the choice of trees for amenity planting to those that have a pedigree from here? Might that not be severely and unnecessarily limiting? I know that an imported Brazilian Pepper Tree is home to many species of birds and lizards in my back yard, as well as housing most of my hanging baskets while throwing afternoon shade on my outdoor living area. All wins and no losses.
Everything is in flux all over the world, a state of affairs that is only to be expected when the globe is home to seven billion souls whose driving engine is turbo-capitalism. And the consequences of that is what we have to deal with.

Brown’s “blow-in Enviro-Nazi” blast draws formal complaint
The native versus imported plant debate is an interesting one.
Since moving onto my current block 18 years ago, I have enjoyed planting a variety of trees and vines while whacking most of the grasses. Mulga is local, as is a white gum, but a prolific lemon tree and an equally prolific mulberry come from somewhere else in the world.
Once I had to physically restrain a young environmentalist, a dear friend, who was adamant that my fence-covering vines had to go.
And yet over the years one particular acacia (I think it’s an acacia) has colonised both my front and back yards. Birds drop the seeds, it grows under and around everything else, and it’s tough as. One robust plant was (is) throwing a bit too much shade onto my lemon, so I ring-barked it. The last I checked, it was still laughing.
I lack the horticultural skills to know whether this plant is a local native or an imported native, but it likes it here and seems determined to stay. A bit like the dove. A bit like all us whitefellas.
Things change. Deal with it.

Brown’s “blow-in Enviro-Nazi” blast draws formal complaint
@ Lone Dingo & Stephan Hattrell
While reflecting on the comments the two of you have contributed to this article, I feel another point has to be made.
English is a living, dynamic language. It grows. It is not owned, but belongs to all of us. Words once known only in a specific historical context can change over years, and through use, to become something more than what they originally were. Such is the case with the word in contention here.
In an historical context, Nazi refers to a political movement from the mid-twentieth century. That was the topic of the debate you, Lone Dingo, referred to from a Council meeting last March. That debate ripped through Council chambers on the night it happened to the extent that a time-out was called for tempers to cool.
But in the current debate, nazi refers in a particularly emotive fashion to strong bullying, to amounting to what is also known as stand-over tactics. The odious politics of Germany in the 1930’s and 40’s have nothing to do with it.
Object if you like to Cr Brown’s emotive language, but it is a misdirection to try to equate his use of the word enviro-nazi to Hitler’s political party.
Time to move on. Our common language is continually doing just that.

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Pine Gap and Five Eyes: what did they know about COVID-19?
Charlie, Did you see the Donald on tonight’s news? If I’m not mistaken he’s suggesting people inject ultraviolet light (is that possible?) and/or a cleaning fluid.
Clearly the man is as mad as a meat axe, but he does have the world hanging on and repeating his every word.
And you say you are not amused? Chill! At least Putin is (for now?) off the hook.
China did it.
And just to clarify, I did say conspiracy theories are, or can be, amusing. That’s because they are.
I also think the flim flam man is a hoot and good fun. That’s because he is.
I did not say the death of 50,000 is amusing or fun, and it’s a cheap ad hominum misdirection from you to insinuate I did.

Pine Gap and Five Eyes: what did they know about COVID-19?
Fair go, Charlie.
You use terms like “robust form of evidence”, and “very strong indicator” to advance a theory, and then level suggestions of conspiracy theories on any other interpretation.
All I’m saying is an open mind is a good mind to have.
As for conspiracy theories, they’re entertaining. Mostly bullshit, a bit like elections, but good fun. Just watch the Golden Golem of Greatness, the great flim flam man himself. Do you really think he’s not enjoying himself?

Pine Gap and Five Eyes: what did they know about COVID-19?
@ Charlie Carter, Posted April 22, 2020 at 2:59 pm: I wish I could share your certainty that the origin of Covid-19 is settled, but I rather think an open mind here might be more useful.
As this attempt to assign culpability to China progresses, and with the emergence of quite massive legal cases gaining momentum in the US, China will defend herself.
It will be at least interesting, and possibly informative, to learn what she has to say about how and where this all started.
And isn’t it true that as new evidence emerges, scientific theses evolve? I doubt if any of this is fully done and dusted just yet.

Lucky the Town Council isn’t in the forestry business
Gnoilya, I certainly did not intend to come across as whining, more like just pointing out the absurdity of the situation.
However, since you not only misspelt my name, but also managed to miss my point, I wonder if that makes you a stationary vertical object?

Pine Gap and Five Eyes: what did they know about COVID-19?
An answer to the leading question in the above story can be found toward the end of an article found here.(When the author speaks of our government and an ABC News story, he is speaking as an American.)
“But with the horrific consequences of our own later governmental inaction being obvious, sources within our intelligence agencies have sought to demonstrate that they were not the ones asleep at the switch. Earlier this month, an ABC News story cited four separate government sources to reveal that as far back as late November, a special medical intelligence unit within our Defense Intelligence Agency had produced a report revealing than an out-of-control disease epidemic was occurring in the Wuhan area of China, and widely distributed that document throughout the top ranks of our government, warning that steps should be taken to protect US forces based in Asia. After the story aired, a Pentagon spokesman officially denied the existence of that November report, while various other top level government and intelligence officials refused to comment. But a few days later, Israeli television revealed that in November American intelligence had indeed shared such a report on the Wuhan disease outbreak with its NATO and Israeli allies, thus seeming to independently confirm the complete accuracy of the original ABC story and its several government sources.
It therefore appears that elements of the Defense Intelligence Agency were aware of the deadly viral outbreak in Wuhan more than a month before any officials in the Chinese government itself. Unless our intelligence agencies have pioneered the technology of precognition, I think this may have happened for the same reason that arsonists have the earliest knowledge of future fires.”
I consider that there have been two, and now three, seminal events over the course of my life:
1) Was there a second shooter in Dallas?
2) How did Building Number 7 collapse into its own footprint?
3) Where did Covid-19 come from

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