@ Janet Brown. “(Y)ou really need help your focus …

Comment on German Foreign Office says mobile homes should stay only in caravan parks with guards, warns of rapes, armed robberies in Alice Springs by Russell Guy.

@ Janet Brown. “(Y)ou really need help your focus on grog and only on grog is not healthy.” See my article on “unhealthy commodity industries” to debunk another of your spurious claims.
You have no evidence at all regarding whether alcohol was involved or not in either of the two crimes you refer to, but many crimes, on balance, could have been avoided by a more sensible alcohol management plan for Alice Springs than is currently the case, so therefore, it is worth stating that there is a cure in those cases and it involves reducing supply.
@ Paul Parker. My point, Paul, is that you cannot dissociate alcohol from the situation that you describe. The sooner liberal supply is regulated, the sooner we can see how to proceed with some of the issues you raise.

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German Foreign Office says mobile homes should stay only in caravan parks with guards, warns of rapes, armed robberies in Alice Springs
@ Janet Brown. Since there are few people who can be bothered debating with you, Janet, I’ll jump in as long as you continue to post these little homilies of yours as gospel, e.g., “prevention is best when there is no cure.”
You speak of “the human face of destruction,” “people and their basic rights” and then downplay “the devil drink” in reference to Aboriginal residential arrangements.
While people on “communities” and town camps deserve better than the politicised decades of underdevelopment, the basic rights of the most vulnerable women and children are at risk by liberal alcohol supply, (I’m not talking about banning it as you and some others often go on as an act of prohibition or even in terms of your generic “devil drink” hyperbole), but since you and Steve have never admitted that it’s part of the problem, it’s no surprise to read you as having “no cure” for various social events, an extension of your recent admission to depression and escapism as a social prescription.
Since you appear to have accessed a dictionary or a ghost writer or run out of your self-confessed supply of cooking sherry in the preparation of this latest epistle, I suggest you bone up on Chaos Theory, or perhaps, re-read reports of the success of the recent AFL weekend grog restrictions.

German Foreign Office says mobile homes should stay only in caravan parks with guards, warns of rapes, armed robberies in Alice Springs
You could try putting a lock on your letterbox, Hal. And let’s indeed “try” limiting the alcohol supply. We “can do” that. You have campaigned for it.
It appears that the elected NTG and local governments are about to be shoe-horned into a compromise by a Federal constituency underwhelmed at having to prop up romantic concepts of the Outback.
So much for the free market when the dreaded interventionist policies impede on unreconstructed provincials who believe they have a right to self-determination, or even, for that matter, self-government.
Indigenous in central Australia know that their culture has taken a mortal hit and from what I see, there are not a few who are wondering what will happen next, which puts them way ahead of most whitefellas.
Yes, madness is here. It’s official. NT Tourism could use that as a slogan. “Come see the Territory! Watch the sun set on the West! Your opportunity to get a seat at Armageddon.” Discounted, of course.
You could be right in saying that it has gone way past alcohol supply reform, but in the words of Alice Springs Deputy Mayor Heenan, “we have to start somewhere.” Why not here? Or as the British punk poet laureate, John Cooper Clark said in the late 1970s, “the world doesn’t end with a bang, but a Wimpy.” That’s a burger, of course.

German Foreign Office says mobile homes should stay only in caravan parks with guards, warns of rapes, armed robberies in Alice Springs
@ Robert Dobalino. Why does Alice Springs exist? That’s a good question. It once existed, not so long ago, to remind the nation that it had a culture that existed before White Australia, that spoke many different languages with words for sentiments rarely even contemplated by movers and shakers who don’t see beyond the lawnmower and who talk to their washing machine.
I might as well continue to express myself, rather than be an armchair commander, Alice Springs exists to remind blackfellas whose ancestors named the place, that it was annexed by whitefellers who continue to make a killing selling booze to their people seven days a week, causing such degradation that racist cliches are their daily lot, in the streets and in the supermarkets (not excusing criminal behaviour, of course).
These epithets are usually delivered by those whose culture is the bland, suburban, television-fed, wheelie-bin filled junk food, shock-jock opinionated life, without dance, “live” music or much to say if it isn’t about sport, mate.
But Alice Springs is not entirely dead. When the rain comes, you can smell the grass and see its natural setting for the beautiful place that it is. I’ll skip local and Territory government.
The closing of businesses in the so-called “CBD” are adding to the empty shops and the threats of others who are going out of business is an opportunity to witness what happens when real estate greed and liberal alcohol supply combine with the mix described above to produce a postmodern culture that they can’t understand, much less correct.
I found it quite nice walking through the Mall the other night after the movies. I was the only one in it.

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Alcohol floor price may breach Australian Constitution
The fact that no action is being taken by the Winemakers Federation, preferring instead to work with the NT Government; that there have been no casks larger than two litres in the NT for several years and in Alice Springs for several more, because they are banned, we should be encouraged by their example, along with other retailers who have shown similar intent.
Tourist tipple and alcohol problems in the NT are interrelated. In a recent post, I pointed out the illogic of sacrificing current levels of visible alcohol-related harm to the tourist economy, which will only cause further decline.
The Mandatory Treatment Act (2013), since repealed, highlighted how harmful and disempowering alcohol restrictions can be, particularly where Indigenous communities have not been involved in their development.
While Steve Brown appears to consider it a “do gooder” issue and appeals for ice containment, he ignores the need for alcohol supply restriction in the general community, a product, it could be argued, of laissez faire capitalism over 50 years, culminating in corner stores trading in takeaway alcohol seven days a week.
Mr Brown compounds his approach by wishing that crystal methamphetamine (ice) was not a problem, allegedly within Indigenous communities.
It would be better if he, and others of a similar opinion, evinced the same desire for alcohol management through community coalitions backed by government regulation or government‐initiated community partnerships, which according to a recent article in the Australian and New Zealand Public Health Journal, “have been successful in harnessing local knowledge and Indigenous social systems to curb the unintended impacts of alcohol regulation”.
The article revealed that improved health and social outcomes, for example, by tethering demand reduction programs to supply restrictions had been achieved.
Outrage over the disempowerment of Grey Nomads to purchase a cask of cheap wine, while the harmful use of alcohol among Territorians continues at levels in excess of the national average, ignores the possibility of a community-led solution, even when governments repeal poorly consulted legislation such as the MTA.
In the mid-1980s, Territorians died from being stabbed by glass flagons. Casks were introduced by governments working with the winemakers and less harm eventuated.
It didn’t curtail harmful levels of consumption, nor the granting of takeaway licenses, but the NT Government, acting on recommendations from Justice Riley’s Report, is facing up to the cost of those unacceptable levels and investigating ways of working with the underlying cultural problems.
Learning from history on which evidence-based legislation like soft packaging and a demand reduction floor price is based seems more appropriate than sticking one’s head in the sand.

Ice Age in Alice
Four balls coming back over the net. Policy on the run.
@ Local 1: Comparing Queensland with the NT is apples and oranges. Been crossing the border all my life, not just for a week.
@ Steve Brown: I want to see evidence for your claims, not just anecdotal. Been there.
@ John Bell: Commonsense has been missing in action and @ Paul Parker, same thing.
Tolerance, common sense and reason were the founding values of the European Enlightenment. Not going well.
Finally, to all, I speak for myself, not for PAAC, whose evidence-based campaign assisted the NT Government in micro-managing the issue of liberal alcohol supply with a floor price. The claim that it makes all alcohol more expensive is incorrect.

Ice Age in Alice
The floor price is not a “silver bullet.”
There is none. There are only a suite of measures to reduce levels of supply, including the BDR.
A floor price targets the cheapest alcohol sold, mostly cask wine, consumed by the most desperate addicts, including pregnant women.
Canada and Scotland have a floor price.
It was introduced this week in the NT after a long evidence-based campaign.
Cynicism is an easy choice, but I’ve been involved in reducing alcohol-related harm in the NT since 1986 when I produced four songs with Indigenous band, Coloured Stone for the NT Road Safety Board.
If you allow yourself to get cynical and negative about drugs, of which alcohol is one of the most prevalent, then you might as well accept the carnage as inevitable.
Take the opposition over the recent Master’s Games request by the police for light and midstrength beer.
One of your readers posted anonymously, calling those who lobby to turn the tap down a “mob” who are only interested in prohibition. That’s hysteria.
The NT Government is currently looking into the seven days a week take away grog licensing regime.
Australia has a culture of alcoholism, particularly around sport.
Changing that culture, currently costing NT taxpayers $640m p.a. is a positive step towards putting money into ice rehab.

Apex Club ‘fenced out’ of running Masters Games bars
@ “Ray”. My argument for turning the tap down (not off, as you insinuate with your anonymous post), exposes your confusion, but it clarifies one point.
It will be hypocritical for you to point to the Indigenous as being responsible for the town’s social problems again.
While you busy yourself over being “the laughing stock of the country”, the hospital and police records continue to speak for themselves and show no sign of abating, due to what is a culture of alcoholism.
It was the police who requested light and midstrength beer be served at this sporting event.
As an attendee at last Friday’s National Police Remembrance Day, the names of those officers who were killed in the line of duty was sobering, yet they who we appoint to serve and protect are fobbed off.
Justifying the capitulation on the economy and giving back to the “community” is evidence of your confusion, but as cultural tourism is the vogue, it will be interesting to see how long before you start referring to “the section of the community that has the issue” again.

Apex Club ‘fenced out’ of running Masters Games bars
Why such despondency, “Ray”?
The streets of Alice Springs are paved with gold if you have eyes to see.
They need not be awash with the consequences of alcoholism.
Turn the tap down (not off) and you will see how a great town can come back from fifty years of an uncapped flow.

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