The point in regards to mining made by Mr Cramer …

Comment on Council wants more time to respond to water plan by Steve Brown.

The point in regards to mining made by Mr Cramer to Monday’s Council Meeting was interesting, as is the comment here by John Childs.
I substantially agree with both comments. However they have nothing at all to do with the current issue! In Rod’s case it was nothing more than a deliberate attempt at distracting discussion from the issue I have raised, which relates to the setting of a “CAP” on how much water Alice can use.
This “CAP” is a deliberately created justification tool of the previous Government, one that can be used to limit growth in our region. Mr Cramer has quite a history with this committee, and also in opposing just about anything at all that looks like development / growth for Alice Springs, a view that appears to be reflected in some areas of great consequence within this plan.
Mr Cramer raises the point that there was only one meeting of this committee in 2012, a meeting which I as the Council’s representative did not get to attend.
Thank you for that Rod, because that was exactly my point! It is clear evidence that a body engaged in producing a major growth / future affecting plan for a region paid nothing but lip service to public consultation and information dissemination.
In attending the Thursday public presentation (the first meeting for 2013) I listened during question and answer time, to comments about “Political Interference” being detrimental to good policy development, and that the Alice was only now a few percent from reaching “The Cap” the yearly consumption rate set by this committee for the next 400 years, and that in turn we could stay under that “Cap” if Alice Springs population / growth remained around or a little less than it is now.
I have long suspected that this committee was pushing a growth limiting agenda but had not heard the words uttered in a public forum before now. It appears that this committee is reaching conclusions and pushing agendas quietly in the background away from public scrutiny. If I were to allow this plan to slip by and be passed into legislation by the Minister, without first making sure that public discussion took place, I would be failing in my first and foremost duty as an elected representative of the Alice Springs community.
I decide to drag this cosy little club kicking and screaming if necessary into the light! The real issue here is the mindset that there should be a fixed “Cap” on our water supply!
There is no need for a “Cap”. The “Cap” it is a fictitious figure! A figure formulated in order to minimise future NT Government investment in our water supply infrastructure! There is no need for a “CAP” as we have enormous future water supply opportunities other than the Mereenie Aquifer available to us.
The “Cap” is not really a “Cap” on water supply it is a “Cap” on government expenditure in our region! The efforts of this committee should be directed to researching, planning and budgeting for future opportunities, and as mentioned by others, in overseeing any activity that could put our supply at risk, for example “mining”. This committee’s efforts should be directed at implementing government of the day political policy, dealing with, assisting with, advising and re-sourcing regional “development”! Not in shutting it down!
When the first wagons rolled into the Old Telegraph station there was nothing more than a puddle in the creek available as a water supply if they had taken the same line of approach as this ASWAC Alice Springs would never have been born!
Or at a later stage in the early sixties when we nearly did run out of water, we would have shut up shop and moved out, but we didn’t, we went out and found the resources we needed!
When we needed them and continued to grow! Nothing has changed! As we grow we can and will find the necessary resources to support that growth!
For the next few hundred years Alice Springs has the most secure water supply of any city in the nation. Our capital Darwin has available to it a mere two years of water supply should it decide to stop raining for awhile, do you hear them saying No Growth?
Not only do we have a secure water supply for our community but the aquifers available to us hold enough water to support very large multimillion dollar agricultural and horticultural industries that are capable of generating jobs for thousands!
So instead of sitting, waiting, trembling in our tents, for four hundred years until we possibly run out of water! Let’s put this ridiculous “Cap” aside and get on with developing a future for our children!
I’m calling on the Minister to set aside this plan and the process that created it and to create in its place a Water Resource Research and Development Committee / Plan for Central Australia and that given we have some four hundred years in front of us let’s take the time to do it properly.
Meanwhile set constraints aside and deal with major water allocation issues when and as they arise! Not by making sure they don’t!

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Council wants more time to respond to water plan
Ahhh! There’s nothing I love more, than the squeals of hysterical loopy Lefties first thing in the morning! Makes me feel so alive! Also gives me great confidence that what I am saying is somewhere around the mark, it’s a kind of reverse psychology thing, like asking the village idiot which way to go then going the opposite.
It’s also a wonderful opportunity for the people of Alice to see firsthand the kinds of life philosophies that have been driving government these past dozen years, the same ones who formed our Water Plan!
Is it any wonder we are a disaster area. “Sustainability” is what I am talking about Leigh, what you and Jimmy are talking about is sitting on your hands because you are frightened of living.
The inevitable result if the world was left in your hands would be the starvation of billions. The world today supports a far greater population than at any time in its history; Planet Plentiful is what you are living on, but you’re going to have to open your eyes to see it. So why do you suppose Darwin doesn’t have a “Water Cap”?


Council wants more time to respond to water plan
My God Jimmy, you really are a doom sayer, aren’t you. There’s not much good in being part of planning for the future, when you don’t believe we have one, is there. A word of advice, you don’t obtain anything in life by “really wanting it”. You get it by getting off your backside and doing something about it.
Be really interested to hear your theory on the mechanics that are going to see ever increasing Temps.
Batten down the hatches mate, maybe go underground. Were you one of those awaiting the end of the world last year I wonder? Hope you don’t mind if the rest of us don’t join you.
@ Ian how do you manage to write those hypocritical statements with out flushing so brightly you spontaneously combust. I wonder if Jimmy might have a use for you in his dugout absorbing unwanted energy spikes created by the occasional involuntary movement exacerbated by really wanting something.


Council wants more time to respond to water plan
Very predictable reaction from you Jimmy what’s the matter you don’t like discussion on these issues out in the open arena?
It’s so much harder to slant outcomes to your own argument when the public is aware of the personal agendas and political ideologies of members. Hell, they might even ask awkward questions about why some members are even on such a committee!
Particularly when some of those members might be non representative activists from elsewhere with no expertise, no history, very little understanding of the issues involved.
A reason for us to deny the isolated children of central Australia a future! A chance at a job! A chance to fulfill their dreams!
Alice Springs is a small town of some 28,000 souls. A large portion of that population is welfare dependent.
Doing something about that is of paramount importance. We are constantly engaged in discussion about alcohol and rehabilitation; nothing will truly address those issues until we give these people a life away from welfare dependency!
That requires jobs, and lots of them!
People who have jobs require housing, this requires growth. Business who bring the investment that create jobs, require growth.
We have nothing to fear from growth and everything to gain; we are a small pioneering town, not an overdeveloped city!
We are not only entitled but obliged to take up the land and resources in our area of the world and use them to create a life for ourselves and our children.
We are also obliged as a community to pay our own way in the world not to sit on our proverbial and rely on other hard working Aussies to do it for us.
I am sick to death of overfed stuffy bureaucrats with a personal agenda of “I’m alright Jack” meddling with the structures of our town to suit their own completely selfish concepts.
Alice Springs’ natural, healthy growth, has been strangled for a number of years by greedy bureaucrats in the North they have achieved and justified the neglect of the people of central Australia by using naive people like you, Jimmy, to do the dirty work.
Justifying their neglect for them, a little tweaking here or there, goes something like this. ”Wink, wink”, “Oh you better be careful of water, you’re a bit dry down there”! “How much you got left”? “What, only 400 years”! “Hell we better put a cap on usage!” “Slow down growth, snigger, snigger”.
That’s how it works Jimmy. If you weren’t aware, meanwhile Darwin has infrastructure under construction way in advance of its ability to supply water. Not that I mind that, as long as Centralians are afforded the same opportunities.
Good news, Jimmy, we have a new, duly elected Country Liberal Government! “Isn’t that fantastic”!
Our new government has a philosophy of growth and prosperity.
The article that precedes this in the Alice News, the Uniting Church Development, is what you are going to be reading from now on. “Yippee”!! Alice needs guts and get up and go if we are going to turn ourselves around the go part of that is something you might want to contemplate, Jimmy. I’m sure there are plenty of other towns with thriving economies that require the attentions of a good saboteur to bring them in line with the third world. Make no mistake, Alicespringites, the “Water Cap” is a “Infrastructure Cap”. There is absolutely “NO NEED” for it to exist!


Recent Comments by Steve Brown

Gallery fiasco: school heritage process ‘massively flawed’
Oddly enough Domeninco, from around 1984 I’ve noted an escalating deterioration of our town’s earlier strengths and character.
Those of us who are amongst the town’s earliest families, the builders of the Alice and other towns in the Territory, understood what it took to create healthy, well balanced, economically viable, communities.
Unfortunately the vibrancy once driven by a very healthy private sector has long since given way to petty bureaucracy and welfareism along with all the blow in petty politic of envy and ignorance those sectors brought with them.
Replacing vibrancy, hope and belief with a petty mentality of obstructionism and envy, glaring down, standing in the way of, anything that might create, dare I say, the dirty words economic progress!
This attempt to save an ugly, rotten old, asbestos riddled building of no architectural merit is just another example of that moronic stifling mentality.
Crime and corruption about which these people winge constantly, flourishes in places that don’t offer hope and progress!
Sloth and disillusionment flourish in places of bureaucratic overload and petty envious obstructionism!
To clean our town up, to get it moving, to offer hope, we need to deal with those things!
We simply must learn to walk right on bye the wingers, specially the blow-in wingers, and to get right on with building our town, a place of enormous potential if only it is given enough air to breathe.


Gallery fiasco: school heritage process ‘massively flawed’
There is absolutely nothing architecturally noteworthy about this crappy old building, just because a particular person visited, walked past, looked at or went to this school doesn’t make it a place that must be preserved!
It would hang like a millstone around the community’s collective necks for perpetuity.
This building has been sitting there rotting for years yet you suddenly find a deep underlying passion and love for it when another use for its location is found?
I cry BS on this claim!
You are simply being obstructionist! As per usual I might add!
Keeping old completely un-noteworthy buildings in premier positions simply creates an enormously expensive ulcerating rot in the central locations of town, forcing us to extend our CBD over a wider and wider area destroying along with that expansion any chance of creating a thriving central CBD.
So while there certainly are buildings that are noteworthy and worth preserving despite this fact ie Flynn Church and Adelaide House etc.
Much less noteworthy building such as this old school must give way to the new!


Private forecaster tips massive rains for Alice
Heavy rains will certainly be welcome, no doubt about it Ed, but 30 to 50mm is a long way short of what’s required to produce floods like the one pictured.
That kind of flood requires closer to 200mm over a fairly short period of time … wouldn’t that be nice?


Big crowd at local School Strike 4 Climate Action
@ Evelyn: While I agree with the general intent of your comment it is important to note for the interested children’s education, that neither their action nor any taken by this nation will have the slightest effect on the world climate! Even if we could completely halt all of our carbon production tomorrow, it would not make the slightest difference to climate change.
So by all means kids work towards a cleaner environment, cleaner air and cleaner oceans, but don’t be taken for a ride by those who seek to create irrational fears about your own beautiful world, through politically motivated, fear mongering garbage, about climate change.
It is a natural part of our world and always will be!
The thing we really do need to need fear and guard against, are the mindless efforts of indoctrinated climate fanatics who seek through their ignorance and city bred real world isolation, to do something irrational about planetary warming.
It would benefit everyone to keep in mind that a warming climate is a more productive climate, while on the other hand a cooling climate very quickly becomes a threat to all life on earth, through starvation!
Let’s hope we get to sit somewhere in between. In the meantime there is one very real threat we should all fight and guard against, the life threatening efforts of climate science to artificially interfere with our climate. One stupid mistake and “Winter really will be coming”!


‘Arrogant’ government fails to answer 20 questions
Didn’t Robyn spruik long and loud the benefits of having an Independent Member for Araluen?
Now she is completely bound up in petty squabbling about more resources.
And not one single question to Government about things that affect the rest of us.
While the Territory goes to hell in a hand basket!
No pressure on Government at all!
Talk about ineffective.
You are payed a dam good wage plus expenses. Write your own speeches and for the Territory’s sake, get on with the job.
[ED – Mr Brown was the CLP candidate for Araluen.]


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