Ray Thank you for providing that framework. I may not like …

Comment on Will the NOs have it on skating in the mall? by Hal Duell.

Ray
Thank you for providing that framework. I may not like it that someone other than a full officer of the law can demand that I identify myself, but at least you have shown how Council can can do just that.
It still leaves a few points hanging, at least to my thinking.
Police officers undergo fairly rigorous professional training before being allowed to deal in a confrontational manner with members of the public. Do Council Rangers go through similar training?
Police officers wear their badges on their shirts, or at least I think they do. It might be an idea if Rangers did likewise.
Are the Council officers deciding the economics of this keeping in mind just how large a sum $576 is? They are on a salary of what? Well over $100,000 a year I imagine. Maybe closer to $200,000. Have they lost sight of the fact that for the people they are most likely to be fining, $576 is most of a fortnight’s income?
It seems I have to concede that Council, through the Local Government Act, does have the right to levy fines. But words like “disproportionate” and “abuse of power” come to mind, and I am wondering if Council’s obvious urge to control has gotten out of control.
With the roundabouts and other traffic squeezes, they have us running around on tracks. Now with this ID business they have us, or potentially have us, standing to attention waiting to be cleared by someone wearing a brown shirt. Have they, heaven forbid, gone a bit rogue?
I am all for an effective and appropriate system of urban by-laws, but I am not so supportive of reducing people to penury. And I mightily object when I feel someone is standing over me.

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Will the NOs have it on skating in the mall?
From the signs I would imagine that to ride a skateboard in the Todd Mall is prohibited by Council by-laws. At least it is mentioned on the public signs, along with bicycle riding and rollerblading, as being verboten. I haven’t looked up the relevant by-law, but I have to assume all three are on the books.
So here’s another question: Is the far end, the northern end, of what was the Todd Mall but is now a shared space for pedestrians and two-way vehicle traffic still a mall?
From the free on-line dictionary:
1. A large, often enclosed shopping complex containing various stores, businesses, and restaurants usually accessible by common passageways.
2. A street lined with shops and closed to vehicles.
3. A shady public walk or promenade.


Will the NOs have it on skating in the mall?
Can Council please furnish this site with the legal reasoning that apparently gives them the right to levy a fine for not showing an ID?
If you haven’t paid the fine yet, Marco, I would consider fighting it.
Which isn’t to say that I am in favour of unrestricted skateboarding in the northern end of the Todd Mall.
My two major concerns are that children don’t look, and many of the elderly are neither as quick on their feet nor as sharp in their hearing as they once were.
And no matter how much I try, I cannot see skaters, while concentrating on what they are doing and wearing headphones, being very aware of others around them.


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