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Comment on Trees on Melanka block no longer sacred? by Ray.

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Trees on Melanka block no longer sacred?
@ Just Sayin. I agree, there is that side to it as well. My point was that under an Indigenous land use agreement, native title can be extinguished, if the monetary compensation is agreed upon. Everything has its price, if the price is right.
Those who choose to be offended by this will be, not much I can do about that.
Your comments about respecting culture and sacred sites are interesting.
I was unaware that business oportunities to bring tourists into town have been scrapped because we don’t show enough respect and therefore trust does not follow. This is a shame.
Which proposals were they, because the number of bookstores and galleries in town that promote Aboriginal culture are impressive, not to mention the quality of work done by CAAMA that show a culture thriving with modern technology.
Are you referring to the respect and trust shown to local business in town that are actually running and bringing tourists into town that are smashed up, are pelted with rocks, broken into, used as a toilets, etc?
Trust and respect are a two way street, and non-indigenous attractions are also responsible for bringing tourists into town as well.
There is both black and white history in this town, and tourists come here to experience both.
Or maybe they come here for one and learn about the other, how’s that for a win win?
I believe that many developers would be keen to get involved with a project on the Melanka site, but who wants to touch it with the complications of those sacred trees?
I am sure that if one of them died due to construction activity, a huge fine would be written into the contract (dollar value).
Instead, we have an unkempt eyesore in town that could be transformed into something amazing, but it just sits there until the price is right, or they blow over in the next big storm. If it was the tree itelf that was sacred, would a solution be to propogate a cutting and plant that in a place acceptable to the Arrente?
I remember that idea working for a single pine tree that featured on the Turkish peninsula just over 100 years ago.


Trees on Melanka block no longer sacred?
Hi Russell, glad to see that three words could stir up such a response. How dare you say I am a newcomer? I have been annoying you for years.
My three word initial comment simply stated the obvious. Aboriginal groups are able to negotiate with mining companies (for example) on the exploration / mining on their land.
By negotiate, I mean an agreement to do a certain activity for a particular consideration (money). Many mining companies have been charged and fined for damaging sacred sites.
So one group has agreed to be awarded compensation for the damage caused by the other.
The importance of the site can/has sometimes determined the monetary penalty. You can google that to find the factual links.
Hence, to some degree, sacredness = dollar value is correct.
I remember being told that an event I organized needed a welcome to country speech. I thought OK that’s a nice gesture, and when approaching the appropriate body, was told “yes would love to, the fee will be $300”.
I was gobsmacked that the opportunity to share culture with visitors from around the country was accompanied by a fee schedule.
Sometimes a simple comment is enough to start a conversation, which was my intention, and that worked quite well. Just because I choose not to have my full name published does not invalidate my right to an opinion, it could be that public comment on a public forum and having different opinion to the populist thinking, could be against a policy I work under.


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Alex, the biggest irony of your comment is you fail to see that my comment was pure sarcasm. How ironic!


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Remember that the original estimates when pushing for this was that the annual visitor numbers were going to increase by 700,000 pax per year EXTRA (not sure of the exact numbers).
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Bush Teacher, thank you for your comments.
I cannot offer a solution but know from genuine experience that you are 100% correct.
The young teachers come here every year to change the world.
Some stay, but many return almost in tears after seeing what it is really like.
Can’t see it changing any time soon, which is ironic as I felt the same way over 20 years ago.


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Welcome back, Janine.
I have seen you and read your words many times over the last 20 years.
Although when I read them this time I was unsure if I should be content to just roll my eyes or get angry or simply scroll on past.
You have come here many times before and told all the locals where they have gone wrong, how everything we have tried is wrong, and we have simply failed to ask the right questions.
You personally, are obviously fairly new to town but once again have the answers by using terms like First Nations, the vulnerable, and any other paternalistic term you can think of.
You will discover that the people you are talking about really don’t care about the sympathy or empathy you express here.
You have been here so many times before in many different guises, telling the locals who live here how they should have been more empathetic in the first place, and how kindness will win the day, generational trauma etc etc.
My people were killed by Germans, Japanese, Koreans and Vietnamese, but I don’t teach my kids to hate them, nor to I get reminded that I should be traumatised when I see them.
I don’t use it as an excuse to be an ass**$e when told I need to modify my behaviour.
Before you run back to where you came from blaming everybody else for stopping your ideas from changing this part of the world, you need to understand we have heard it all before, and until we grow the balls to start dealing with these people with every power the law can provide, it will not stay the same, it will continue the downward spiral.
Your approach has been tried and has made things worse.
These are some bad people, empowered by the veil you put on them of vulnerability, knowing this gives them protection by the lawyers who are funded to defend their abhorrent behaviour time and time again, combined with the judges who are more interested in reducing incarceration rates than making the punishment fit the crime.
They can choose to live their lives in a traditional manner as over 51% of the NT is Aboriginal owned.
Instead they come into town at these town camps, and get on the grog, creating havoc for the residents who call the police.
Unfortunately the police know that doing what needs to be done could land them in all sorts of strife due to the overly cautious approach they are forced to work under.
They have become powerless punching bags because you and your previous incarnations have convinced the power brokers that they are just naughty kids that are too stupid to take responsibility for themselves.
Triggered by the sight of a uniform? What a load of PC rubbish.
Most criminals would be triggered, and so they should be, because it used to be that they would be taken to task and be made to think about their actions.
Strange how the moms and kids at these town camps are happy to call the police, and they are not triggered by them.
Do you realise we have some amazing Aboriginal officers?
Nowadays they are treated as fragile clients, who have no issue bashing the crap out of their own women and kids, undoing all the good work the real TOs and long term Aboriginal families of this area have put In.
Open your eyes and get down from your PC horse and understand that empowering these people does not mean they will bloom into a beautiful flower.
Some many turn into weeds that need to be dealt with to save the whole garden from ruin.


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