I pity the innocents incarcerated on Manus Island and Nauru. …

Comment on ‘Extreme vetting’ and Pine Gap by Hal Duell.

I pity the innocents incarcerated on Manus Island and Nauru. And now with President Trump apparently blasting PM Turnbull on what he calls a “bad deal”, the possibility arises that no refugees will manage to get out of their detention centres.
Add to that the current case of a pregnant woman on Nauru facing a difficult and dangerous birth who has been denied a chance to have that delivery in Australia. The denial is said to come from the government of Nauru.
So just who is calling the shots over there?
Australia has fashioned a rod for her own back with this off-shore detention scheme. It’s making us look like fools lacking in humanity on the international stage.
Can we remedy this situation short of full capitulation and allowing all of those in the centres into Australia?
Or will we just continue to say that all’s well and that we are acting in our national interest.
I’m glad the boats have stopped. The constant stream of them was tearing us apart. Now the remedy, the detention centres, is doing the same. Enough is enough. We’re in a hole. Time to stop digging.

Hal Duell Also Commented

‘Extreme vetting’ and Pine Gap
Evelyne: My unease over the current protests concerning the Trump visa ban centres on two facts.
The first is best expressed when he states the following (as quoted by Moon of Alabama):
“But it is nothing new that the citizens of those countries are targeted with US visa restrictions. It was Obama who introduced such in 2015 and 2016. The Trump order links directly to them. It does not name any country but refers to them as “countries designated in Division O, Title II, Section 203 of the 2016 consolidated appropriations act.”
Where was the outrage then?
And, in 2016 the Nobel Peace Laureate Barack Obama dropped over 26,000 bombs on targets in seven different countries. This number can easily be verified by searching through the web.
Again, where was the outrage then?
The current outrage is, in my opinion, selective and hypocritical. It feeds into a colour (pink) revolution currently being fermented across the US, and that is, again in my opinion, more dangerous than the presidency of Donald Trump.


‘Extreme vetting’ and Pine Gap
@ Evelyne Roullet, Posted February 2, 2017 at 1:38 pm
I am going to pay you a bit more respect than I’m thinking you paid me and assume you know what I meant when I said “potential terrorist”.
In case I’m wrong, according to a Wikipedia search listing terrorist acts committed since and including 9/11, and excluding all countries except the US, countries in Europe and Russia, I count 12 in the US, 11 in Russia and 27 in Europe. And for what it’s worth, the total for the rest of the world tops my total by a factor of what looks like at least five, and possibly ten.
These are what President Trump is attempting to prevent.
Also for what it’s worth, in my opinion for you to claim membership in the fraternity/sorority of those murderous souls responsible for the above listed acts is playing identity politics at its most base.


‘Extreme vetting’ and Pine Gap
I fail to see what the problem is here. Extreme (thorough) vetting (to subject to examination or evaluation) seems to be self explanatory.
President Trump has indicated that he will not allow potential terrorists to enter the USA under the guise of being refugees. Nor will he allow other countries to tell him who is or is not a refugee or a terrorist posing as a refugee. What’s not to like there?
The alternative of no vetting or summary vetting is a good idea? Look at what is happening in Europe and tell me that’s a good idea.
In their dreams, the Australian government thought it had found a way to empty Manus Island and Nauru detention centres. It seems they were wrong. Some of the unfortunate souls detained by us may get a chance to get out of detention, but some probably won’t.
We don’t want them here, and the US may not want them, or not all of them, there. We created the off-shore detention problem, and it’s still our problem.


Recent Comments by Hal Duell

Pine Gap and Five Eyes: what did they know about COVID-19?
Charlie, Did you see the Donald on tonight’s news? If I’m not mistaken he’s suggesting people inject ultraviolet light (is that possible?) and/or a cleaning fluid.
Clearly the man is as mad as a meat axe, but he does have the world hanging on and repeating his every word.
And you say you are not amused? Chill! At least Putin is (for now?) off the hook.
China did it.
And just to clarify, I did say conspiracy theories are, or can be, amusing. That’s because they are.
I also think the flim flam man is a hoot and good fun. That’s because he is.
I did not say the death of 50,000 is amusing or fun, and it’s a cheap ad hominum misdirection from you to insinuate I did.


Pine Gap and Five Eyes: what did they know about COVID-19?
Fair go, Charlie.
You use terms like “robust form of evidence”, and “very strong indicator” to advance a theory, and then level suggestions of conspiracy theories on any other interpretation.
All I’m saying is an open mind is a good mind to have.
As for conspiracy theories, they’re entertaining. Mostly bullshit, a bit like elections, but good fun. Just watch the Golden Golem of Greatness, the great flim flam man himself. Do you really think he’s not enjoying himself?


Pine Gap and Five Eyes: what did they know about COVID-19?
@ Charlie Carter, Posted April 22, 2020 at 2:59 pm: I wish I could share your certainty that the origin of Covid-19 is settled, but I rather think an open mind here might be more useful.
As this attempt to assign culpability to China progresses, and with the emergence of quite massive legal cases gaining momentum in the US, China will defend herself.
It will be at least interesting, and possibly informative, to learn what she has to say about how and where this all started.
And isn’t it true that as new evidence emerges, scientific theses evolve? I doubt if any of this is fully done and dusted just yet.


Lucky the Town Council isn’t in the forestry business
Gnoilya, I certainly did not intend to come across as whining, more like just pointing out the absurdity of the situation.
However, since you not only misspelt my name, but also managed to miss my point, I wonder if that makes you a stationary vertical object?


Pine Gap and Five Eyes: what did they know about COVID-19?
An answer to the leading question in the above story can be found toward the end of an article found here.(When the author speaks of our government and an ABC News story, he is speaking as an American.)
“But with the horrific consequences of our own later governmental inaction being obvious, sources within our intelligence agencies have sought to demonstrate that they were not the ones asleep at the switch. Earlier this month, an ABC News story cited four separate government sources to reveal that as far back as late November, a special medical intelligence unit within our Defense Intelligence Agency had produced a report revealing than an out-of-control disease epidemic was occurring in the Wuhan area of China, and widely distributed that document throughout the top ranks of our government, warning that steps should be taken to protect US forces based in Asia. After the story aired, a Pentagon spokesman officially denied the existence of that November report, while various other top level government and intelligence officials refused to comment. But a few days later, Israeli television revealed that in November American intelligence had indeed shared such a report on the Wuhan disease outbreak with its NATO and Israeli allies, thus seeming to independently confirm the complete accuracy of the original ABC story and its several government sources.
It therefore appears that elements of the Defense Intelligence Agency were aware of the deadly viral outbreak in Wuhan more than a month before any officials in the Chinese government itself. Unless our intelligence agencies have pioneered the technology of precognition, I think this may have happened for the same reason that arsonists have the earliest knowledge of future fires.”
I consider that there have been two, and now three, seminal events over the course of my life:
1) Was there a second shooter in Dallas?
2) How did Building Number 7 collapse into its own footprint?
3) Where did Covid-19 come from


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