I pity the innocents incarcerated on Manus Island and Nauru. …

Comment on ‘Extreme vetting’ and Pine Gap by Hal Duell.

I pity the innocents incarcerated on Manus Island and Nauru. And now with President Trump apparently blasting PM Turnbull on what he calls a “bad deal”, the possibility arises that no refugees will manage to get out of their detention centres.
Add to that the current case of a pregnant woman on Nauru facing a difficult and dangerous birth who has been denied a chance to have that delivery in Australia. The denial is said to come from the government of Nauru.
So just who is calling the shots over there?
Australia has fashioned a rod for her own back with this off-shore detention scheme. It’s making us look like fools lacking in humanity on the international stage.
Can we remedy this situation short of full capitulation and allowing all of those in the centres into Australia?
Or will we just continue to say that all’s well and that we are acting in our national interest.
I’m glad the boats have stopped. The constant stream of them was tearing us apart. Now the remedy, the detention centres, is doing the same. Enough is enough. We’re in a hole. Time to stop digging.

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‘Extreme vetting’ and Pine Gap
Evelyne: My unease over the current protests concerning the Trump visa ban centres on two facts.
The first is best expressed when he states the following (as quoted by Moon of Alabama):
“But it is nothing new that the citizens of those countries are targeted with US visa restrictions. It was Obama who introduced such in 2015 and 2016. The Trump order links directly to them. It does not name any country but refers to them as “countries designated in Division O, Title II, Section 203 of the 2016 consolidated appropriations act.”
Where was the outrage then?
And, in 2016 the Nobel Peace Laureate Barack Obama dropped over 26,000 bombs on targets in seven different countries. This number can easily be verified by searching through the web.
Again, where was the outrage then?
The current outrage is, in my opinion, selective and hypocritical. It feeds into a colour (pink) revolution currently being fermented across the US, and that is, again in my opinion, more dangerous than the presidency of Donald Trump.


‘Extreme vetting’ and Pine Gap
@ Evelyne Roullet, Posted February 2, 2017 at 1:38 pm
I am going to pay you a bit more respect than I’m thinking you paid me and assume you know what I meant when I said “potential terrorist”.
In case I’m wrong, according to a Wikipedia search listing terrorist acts committed since and including 9/11, and excluding all countries except the US, countries in Europe and Russia, I count 12 in the US, 11 in Russia and 27 in Europe. And for what it’s worth, the total for the rest of the world tops my total by a factor of what looks like at least five, and possibly ten.
These are what President Trump is attempting to prevent.
Also for what it’s worth, in my opinion for you to claim membership in the fraternity/sorority of those murderous souls responsible for the above listed acts is playing identity politics at its most base.


‘Extreme vetting’ and Pine Gap
I fail to see what the problem is here. Extreme (thorough) vetting (to subject to examination or evaluation) seems to be self explanatory.
President Trump has indicated that he will not allow potential terrorists to enter the USA under the guise of being refugees. Nor will he allow other countries to tell him who is or is not a refugee or a terrorist posing as a refugee. What’s not to like there?
The alternative of no vetting or summary vetting is a good idea? Look at what is happening in Europe and tell me that’s a good idea.
In their dreams, the Australian government thought it had found a way to empty Manus Island and Nauru detention centres. It seems they were wrong. Some of the unfortunate souls detained by us may get a chance to get out of detention, but some probably won’t.
We don’t want them here, and the US may not want them, or not all of them, there. We created the off-shore detention problem, and it’s still our problem.


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I doubt if many residents, and certainly not a majority, would be opposed to the gallery being built here. But why do you need to destroy what we have (an old high school, a central oval and a debt-free and functioning civic centre) to do that?
It’s not like we’re short of space down here.
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