Hall, let’s forget the bombs for an instant. The scope of …

Comment on ‘Extreme vetting’ and Pine Gap by Evelyne Roullet.

Hall, let’s forget the bombs for an instant.
The scope of the two policies is slightly different:
1. Was response to a real threat as
2. Trump’s ban is preemptive.
Obama’s suspension was in direct response to a failed plot by Iraqi nationals living in Bowling Green, Ky., to send money, explosives and weapons to al-Qaida.
The two men were arrested by the FBI in May 2011 for actions committed in Iraq and trying to assist overseas terrorist groups.
Obama’s 2011 order put a pause on refugee processing, but Iraqi refugees were nonetheless admitted to the United States during the 2011. However, Trump is trying to put an indefinite ban on Syrian refugees
Trump’s executive order seeks to temporarily bar travel to the United States for all citizens from seven countries, and it is not in direct response to actions from citizens of those countries.
The bombing and the amount was talked about in the world media and protested.
There was outrage at the terrorist attacks in New York and on the Pentagon. But there is, nevertheless, opposition to the brutal and indiscriminate bombing of Afghanistan by the mightiest military power that the world has ever seen.
CodePinkIn, an online petition sent out, the US-based peace group CODEPINK declared:
In the last seven years, Nobel Peace Prize-winning President Obama has bombed seven countries. Tell President Obama it’s time to stop endless bombing across the Middle East!
We, the undersigned, call on President Obama to end the bombing campaign in Libya and across the Middle East. We agree with Congresswoman Barbara Lee when she said that “there is no military solution to this crisis” with [the Islamic State or ISIS].
We ask that the administration instead take steps to form a comprehensive regional approach that addresses political, economic, humanitarian and diplomatic challenges that allow [ISIS] to commit violence.
With neither Hillary Clinton nor Donald Trump running as a peace candidate, CODEPINK said in a statement “the world needs a peace movement now more than ever, as Obama continues to drop bombs all over the Middle East and we prepare for the next US president”.
Robert Fisk of the London Independent newspaper on Tuesday, May 5, 2015 asked a very interesting question: “Who is bombing whom in the Middle East?”
The Saudis are bombing Yemen because they fear the Shia Houthis are working for the Iranians. The Saudis are also bombing Isis in Iraq and the Isis in Syria. So are the United Arab Emirates.
The Syrian government is bombing its enemies in Syria and the Iraqi government is bombing its enemies in Iraq.
America, France, Britain, Denmark, Holland, Australia and Canada are bombing Isis in Syria and Isis in Iraq, partly on behalf of the Iraqi government (for which read Shia militias) but absolutely not on behalf of the Syrian government.
The Jordanians and Saudis and Bahrainis are also bombing Isis in Syria and Iraq because they don’t like them, but the Jordanians are bombing Isis even more than the Saudis after their pilot-prisoner was burned to death in a cage.
The Egyptians are bombing parts of Libya because a group of Christian Egyptians had their heads chopped off by what might – notionally – be the same so-called Islamic State, as Isis refers to itself.
The Iranians have acknowledged bombing Isis in Iraq – of which the Americans (but not the Iraqi government) take a rather dim view. And of course the Israelis have several times bombed Syrian government forces in Syria but not Isis. Mind boggling.

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‘Extreme vetting’ and Pine Gap
Yes Fred, Australia needed migrants:Populate or perish. But contrary to what we were led to believe at the Australian Embassy we were not looked after.
Most migrants arrived by ship or planes disembarked in major cities such as Sydney and Melbourne.
From there they were immediately taken to migration hostels in rural areas, often in former military barracks.
With accommodation fashioned from old corrugated iron Nissen huts, migrants were frequently shocked at the primitive conditions.
With men and women separated into single sex barracks, shared bathrooms and kitchens and a communal dining room serving unfamiliar, and often unpalatable food, migration hostels were neither comfortable nor welcoming.
I experienced first hand: Bonegilla camp. My son aged seven was barracked with the men, people fought with knives at the dining room for the food and I used to go to the showers facilities with a tin of ajax and a scrubber.
I had taken with me some baby food from France and I gave it to a mother of a nine months old baby who had been in the camp for three months with no baby food.
We were told at the Embassy that Australia needed our skills (my husband and I were highly qualified). Alas it was a lie: Voluntary and refugee migrants were offered a two year directed-labour contract in return for their passage to Australia.
Under this contract there were two classes of worker — men were labourers and women were domestics, who were to be assigned to work in critical areas of the economy.
We escaped Bonegilla, found refuge in Wagga Wagga and from then all was well, we made friends and got good jobs.
You can visit Bonegilla, the Australian concentration camp, like it was an normal attraction. But with the exception of the gas chamber, for a lot of the residents it was like Dachau.
Please take a tour and maybe this will explained my empathy with migrants in camps.

‘Extreme vetting’ and Pine Gap
Hal, I discuss only with respect. I do not know you personally therefore I can only respect your opinions.
I said I am a “potential terrorist” with sarcasm because of the 72 types of Americans that are considered “potential terrorists” in official government documents.
Terrorism is a real threat – but the threat to the US from Muslim terrorists has been exaggerated.
An FBI report shows that only a small percentage of terrorist attacks carried out on US soil between 1980 and 2005 were perpetrated by Muslims.
No person accepted to the United States as a refugee, Syrian or otherwise, has been implicated in a major fatal terrorist attack since the Refugee Act of 1980 set up systematic procedures for accepting refugees into the United States, according to an analysis of terrorism immigration risks by the Cato Institute.
Before 1980, three refugees had successfully carried out terrorist attacks; all three were Cuban refugees, and a total of three people were killed.
Since the Cato Institute analysis was published in September 2016, a Somalian refugee injured 13 people at Ohio State University in November in what officials investigated as a terrorist attack. No one died.
Precisely zero foreign-born terrorists admitted as refugees have killed anyone on American soil (and no, the Boston bombers were not refugees). That’s the situation that Trump’s executive order is designed to improve.
Europol, the European Union’s law-enforcement agency, noted in its report that the vast majority of terror attacks in Europe were perpetrated by separatist groups.
For example, in 2013, there were 152 terror attacks in Europe. Only two of them were “religiously motivated,” while 84 were predicated upon ethno-nationalist or separatist beliefs.
In 2011, Anders Breivik slaughtered 77 people in Norway to further his anti-Muslim, anti-immigrant, and pro-“Christian Europe” agenda as he stated in his manifesto.
The Cato Institute is an American libertarian think tank headquartered in Washington, D.C.

‘Extreme vetting’ and Pine Gap
Hal what is a potential terrorist?
In the US if you are a conservative, a libertarian, a Christian, a gun owner. If you are opposed to abortion, globalism, Communism, illegal immigration, the United Nations or the New World Order. If you believe in conspiracy theories, that we are living in the “end times” according to official US government documents, you are a “potential terrorist” if you answered yes to any of those statements.
The Federal Government have banned refugees and asylum seekers on Manus Island and Nauru from ever coming to Australia, but Mr. Trump agreed to maintain the agreement, reached under the Obama administration, during a 25-minute telephone call on Sunday, said the Prime Minister, Malcolm Turnbull, on January 30.
May be it is that those refugees will be deported to Pine Gap and used as human shields in case of air strikes.
Excuse my sarcasms but I am a “potential terrorist”.

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