@ Charmaine Roth: Saline water is now deadly non-recyclable waste! …

Comment on Gas, fracking: potential benefits to Aborigines enormous by Steve Brown.

@ Charmaine Roth: Saline water is now deadly non-recyclable waste! Funny, somewhere in this publication is an article about digging out 100% salt for people to eat!
Natural radioactive waste exists throughout the environment and is measurable in many things like bricks and granite tiles or flying on an aircraft.
Rusting steel casing on bore holes, disused holes, are easily dealt with by filling with concrete.
Once this is done they pose no more risk through leaching / penetration than the natural rock formations.
We’ve had several earthquakes in recent times all of which caused cracking between various layers of the earth and its aquifers and on a scale vastly more in excess of any tiny man-made fractures from fracking.
As for the bore numbers and the water usage figures … they’re not stats because they don’t relate to any reality.
You forget to mention the time over which the usage occurs. Why is this important? Because over time the necessary water can be captured in small dams, or it can be non potable water, or saline water which occurs naturally almost everywhere we have aquifers.
Good water that is drawn from aquifers will recharge just like dams over time.
When you add up your figures you make it sound like it’s all happening at once, and when you add to that an enormously exaggerated number of holes.
This creates unnecessary unwarranted fear in the community.
Much of your comment highlights issues occurring in and around the industry over time which have already been addressed by direct action or regulation or both.

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Gas, fracking: potential benefits to Aborigines enormous
@ Richard: You might want to discard those rose coloured glasses occasionally, Mate.
Our economy is struggling, many are either already out of work or facing that rather bleak prospect.
Large cuts to public service Jobs have been mooted. It is necessary to take every employment opportunity that comes our way.
@ Bruce: The “Loony left” comment is aimed squarely at the propaganda being put about as fact. There is no scientific of factual basis to it, no interest in rational discussion. Its only intention to confuse and create fear.
When the anti-frackers put a petition to put before council they managed to gain the support of around 2% of the population.
That leaves a whopping 98% who either support the gas industry, don’t care or are undecided, which of course is why I would like to see some rational, factual discussion round the subject.
@ The lefty. Yes we do have lots of gas, all of it very shortsightedly contracted to off-shore interests!
Who do you suppose was in government when that happened in the Territory?
I personally am disgusted by the shortsightedness of that. I am greatly concerned that we appear to have no national institution overseeing the nation’s energy needs, both short and long term.
Even a person like myself, who has spent a lifetime in free enterprise, understands that there are some things governments must do.
I am sure every Australian had some kind of expectation that somewhere there was a government agency looking after the nation’s interests and putting those interests first. Apparently not, just a blind trust in a mish mash of large international businesses supposedly controlled by the “market”!
That I believe is what’s known as a free for all, no responsibility attached. This is something that must change here and now! Government must secure new supplies as they come on line.
Sadly, unless we are prepared to cancel legitimate contracts, there is nothing we can do about the existing gas short of buying it at exorbitant prices.
So, Lefties, unless we get new supplies of gas very soon I guess we are going back to coal.
Wait, maybe that was the whole intention. They do say follow the money, kinda makes you wonder where all those anti fracking funds came from, doesn’t it.


Gas, fracking: potential benefits to Aborigines enormous
@ Bruce F: So what you are suggesting is that fear mongering bullshit from the loony left is somehow more believable than comments from industry sources, the Editor or the CLP.
I beg to differ, mate!
The absolute garbage trotted out, under assumed names more than likely, by the one green organisation, every time conventional and non-conventional gas exploration and its use and transport is raised.
Insulting fear mongering overstatement with complete disregard for the truth no intention of listening to any well-made points, just pure bare faced propaganda.
Which of course points to a well-funded campaign aimed at knocking out the gas industry with scant regard for the simply enormous impact that such a result would have on our nation’s economy.
What are those consequences?
Well, loss of royalties is certainly one of them, but we stand to lose on a much grander scale than that!
Almost immediately in fact, we’ve already seen the first instalment, that would be the loss of GST revenue to the Territory which in turn means the loss of many jobs and government funding which in turn will further exacerbate the revenue problem.
Further to that, as the gas shortage begins to hit major industry, we will see on a national Level a further rapid decline in jobs and revenue!
Yes, these are the consequences!
Consequences that must be weighed against the possible gains for our community. Those gains would include royalties, several thousand jobs in the Territory alone while saving countless jobs elsewhere helping to keep electricity cost down until we can switch to reliable renewables, helping our nation’s economy and in return our GST revenue!
The present campaign against the kind of fracking proposed in the Territory consists of a load of either false or grossly exaggerated propaganda.
Making claims about enormous chemical and water use that are devoid of facts and designed to create fear, you’ve seen more water run through town in the creek over the past months than many thousands of fracked holes would use! On top of that, water is a renewable resource. Every drop of water ever used is still here on earth the campaigners simply want you to believe we are running out. We are not!
As for the hundreds of tons of chemical used for a fracked hole, what they pump into the hole consists mostly of water mixed with sand together with smaller amounts of chemicals, that you can look up online, to create a liquid viscious enough to suspend and carry the sand into the cracks created by pressurising the hole.
After Fracking, has taken place this sludge, bar the wedged sand particles, is pumped out in some cases to be reused. There are very strict protocols around this waste if not reused the water is evaporated off, not lost, and the residue collected for storage.
Is there risk?
Of course, there is risk!
There is risk with everything we do, driving cars, flying planes pouring, oil products onto the earth to make roads. We dig enormous holes kilometres into the earth searching for minerals, we carry truckloads of lethal chemicals and explosives right through the middle of our towns and cities on a daily basis.
Many of these things are vastly more risky than conventional and non-conventional fracking.
The discussion weighing up the risks needs to take on a wider and more balanced perspective keeping in mind that large parts of the states which provide our GST revenue are already fracked and are probably going to take a very dim view of the NT staying frack free at their expense.
And of course, we need to weigh what we stand to gain, against those risks, that is why we need good information not senseless hysterical propaganda aimed at pushing the lunatic fringe’s doomsday agenda.


Recent Comments by Steve Brown

Gallery fiasco: school heritage process ‘massively flawed’
Oddly enough Domeninco, from around 1984 I’ve noted an escalating deterioration of our town’s earlier strengths and character.
Those of us who are amongst the town’s earliest families, the builders of the Alice and other towns in the Territory, understood what it took to create healthy, well balanced, economically viable, communities.
Unfortunately the vibrancy once driven by a very healthy private sector has long since given way to petty bureaucracy and welfareism along with all the blow in petty politic of envy and ignorance those sectors brought with them.
Replacing vibrancy, hope and belief with a petty mentality of obstructionism and envy, glaring down, standing in the way of, anything that might create, dare I say, the dirty words economic progress!
This attempt to save an ugly, rotten old, asbestos riddled building of no architectural merit is just another example of that moronic stifling mentality.
Crime and corruption about which these people winge constantly, flourishes in places that don’t offer hope and progress!
Sloth and disillusionment flourish in places of bureaucratic overload and petty envious obstructionism!
To clean our town up, to get it moving, to offer hope, we need to deal with those things!
We simply must learn to walk right on bye the wingers, specially the blow-in wingers, and to get right on with building our town, a place of enormous potential if only it is given enough air to breathe.


Gallery fiasco: school heritage process ‘massively flawed’
There is absolutely nothing architecturally noteworthy about this crappy old building, just because a particular person visited, walked past, looked at or went to this school doesn’t make it a place that must be preserved!
It would hang like a millstone around the community’s collective necks for perpetuity.
This building has been sitting there rotting for years yet you suddenly find a deep underlying passion and love for it when another use for its location is found?
I cry BS on this claim!
You are simply being obstructionist! As per usual I might add!
Keeping old completely un-noteworthy buildings in premier positions simply creates an enormously expensive ulcerating rot in the central locations of town, forcing us to extend our CBD over a wider and wider area destroying along with that expansion any chance of creating a thriving central CBD.
So while there certainly are buildings that are noteworthy and worth preserving despite this fact ie Flynn Church and Adelaide House etc.
Much less noteworthy building such as this old school must give way to the new!


Private forecaster tips massive rains for Alice
Heavy rains will certainly be welcome, no doubt about it Ed, but 30 to 50mm is a long way short of what’s required to produce floods like the one pictured.
That kind of flood requires closer to 200mm over a fairly short period of time … wouldn’t that be nice?


Big crowd at local School Strike 4 Climate Action
@ Evelyn: While I agree with the general intent of your comment it is important to note for the interested children’s education, that neither their action nor any taken by this nation will have the slightest effect on the world climate! Even if we could completely halt all of our carbon production tomorrow, it would not make the slightest difference to climate change.
So by all means kids work towards a cleaner environment, cleaner air and cleaner oceans, but don’t be taken for a ride by those who seek to create irrational fears about your own beautiful world, through politically motivated, fear mongering garbage, about climate change.
It is a natural part of our world and always will be!
The thing we really do need to need fear and guard against, are the mindless efforts of indoctrinated climate fanatics who seek through their ignorance and city bred real world isolation, to do something irrational about planetary warming.
It would benefit everyone to keep in mind that a warming climate is a more productive climate, while on the other hand a cooling climate very quickly becomes a threat to all life on earth, through starvation!
Let’s hope we get to sit somewhere in between. In the meantime there is one very real threat we should all fight and guard against, the life threatening efforts of climate science to artificially interfere with our climate. One stupid mistake and “Winter really will be coming”!


‘Arrogant’ government fails to answer 20 questions
Didn’t Robyn spruik long and loud the benefits of having an Independent Member for Araluen?
Now she is completely bound up in petty squabbling about more resources.
And not one single question to Government about things that affect the rest of us.
While the Territory goes to hell in a hand basket!
No pressure on Government at all!
Talk about ineffective.
You are payed a dam good wage plus expenses. Write your own speeches and for the Territory’s sake, get on with the job.
[ED – Mr Brown was the CLP candidate for Araluen.]


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