@ Evelyne: I, like Laurence, write under a pseudonym due …

Comment on Pack of girls attacked me, says Chinese on working holiday by Ray.

@ Evelyne: I, like Laurence, write under a pseudonym due to where we work.
Erwin knows me, and he certainly understands the implications if I used my real name.
I do however enjoy the opportunity to contribute to community discussion without the fear of disciplinary action taken against me/us, and in the past, I have both agreed with you and shared arguments as well
I do agree that it takes a village to raise a child, as long as we live in a village, where a small number of people all must contribute to ensuring the survival of all.
Many villages in the traditional sense would be no more than 100 people. We are not a village, we are a large town with many different groups, cultures, beliefs, and expectations, and that expression is not relevant to our contemporary way of life.
The problem people like me have with this “throw away” expression is that it deflects responsibility, where people can say: “It’s not my fault, it takes a village to raise a child, so its the fault of the villagers, not me.”
Wrong, you gave the example of how you raised your children, I am raising mine and Dr Who raised his.
The people who helped were not villagers, they were paid professionals offering a service.
The concept of a village implies aunties, uncles, and close-knit members of a small group.
In those days if the kids mucked up, they would be given a clip under the ear by another villager who you knew.
Would you be happy with somebody smacking your child for running amok in Woolies?
Those days of a village are long gone, and the people who have the primary responsibility for raising the child are the parents, nobody else.
Yes, we may use doctors or teachers or police to augment our responsibilities, but the buck stops with the family.
The problem is many of the youths running wild today are from parents who probably were raised in that village environment, out bush on traditional lands, where the kids could run wild.
Unfortunately, the concept of urban drift has occurred, yet the additional responsibility that goes with living in an urban environment is not understood by these parents.
The grandparents probably say: “That’s alright, you used to run around when you were kids” without the understanding that the dangers of today were not there in those days, let alone the propensity to use violence to survive and then thrive on the streets.
My problem is that the euphemism of taking a village to raise a child ignores that fact that village life is far different to life in modern society, and is used as an excuse to abdicate responsibility.

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Pack of girls attacked me, says Chinese on working holiday
Would be interesting to see the outcome if Worksafe was contacted about this.
Absolutely the company has a duty to their employees, there should certainly be a policy dealing with the safety of employees departing late at night, especially where the hazards of this town are so well known.
Regardless, the employer has a duty to identify the risk and put controls in place, this would include making the staff finishing their shift aware of the risk to their health and safety by not having suitable transport home, and alternatives if transport was not available.
It could be a journey claim if the worker was traveling directly home at the completion of a shift.
A case in point is the woman attacked by the magpie, losing her eye on her way to work.
A joint responsibility between the employer and the shopping center, especially as the hazard had previously been identified.
There are additional duties imposed if it involves young or inexperienced workers.


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Rules for outback work travel may catch some out
This is a great result to see the regulator stepping up and putting businesses on notice that they cannot send workers out bush without taking all reasonable steps to ensure the safety of their workers.
One would hope they change their mind about letting Fair Work deal with the worker’s dismissal as there are certainly laws under the OH and S legislation that can punish firms that sack a worker for raising a safety concern. The NT has an atrocious record and it’s about time that a proactive approach was done.


Gallery business case slap in the face of custodians
1000 EXTRA visitors week? Really?
And the government leaders do not take a second and say exactly the same thing? Or do they push ahead and shift the blame to Ernst and Young?
I might believe maybe 100 visitors per week, ergo an adjusted economic input of $4.2 Million. Taking a more realistic figure, it will take a hell of a long tome to ever pay that back, especially adding in the relocation of the council or the building of the football fields whenever and where ever it is built.
I still don’t understand why the site at the Desert knowledge Precinct in not considered, with Yirara students just across the road for transition to employment training.
Even the Melanka site at the retail price and creative architecture or the disused fuel depot near Hungry Jack’s, once again creative architecture to meld with the landscape.
Even with the rehabilitation of the land prior to building it, it would probably make more economic, geographical and cultural sense.
Sorry, hard to type while I am laughing at these figures. Please ensure you archive these predictions Erwin.
I would love to be proven wrong five years after it is built!

[ED – No worries, it will be in our fully searchable archive, now spanning 25 years and containing about seven million words.]


Online hate speech by leading tourism figure
Erwin, thanks for contacting me and explaining the reasons for not publishing my [earlier] comment.
I won’t repeat my words but it is important to maintain my sentiment, and that is I do not condemn the language used by Mr Thompson, apart from LBC (which I could interpret as Lovely Bloody Children (sarcastic), or Loose bloody cannons).
I would use the same other description, but at your request will not repeat it in my comment here.
Your headline uses the term hate speech, however I personally believe that it is a symptom of the frustrations and anger felt by this entire community by these actions.
Even though as you pointed out these actions were probably perpetrated by children, that is no excuse as they are fully aware of their actions.
Would your jaw be any less broken by a rock thrown by a muscular 14yo than a skinny 18yo?
Even today outside Yeperenye a child of no more than 8, ran in front of my car by accident, a result of kids just being kids, in this case by the time her mum realised what was about to happen, it was too late.
After I had braked to avoid it, the kid immediately jumped back, because she knew that running in front of a car could have consequences.
She knew immediately the consequences of being hit by a car hence her instinct of recoiling at the last second (a lack of attentiveness by me would have certainly seen her hit).
They know the consequences of being bitten by a snake, so they give them a wide berth, and they know of the consequences of disrespecting bigger, stronger kids, so I do not believe they are too young to understand the consequences of their actions.
In this case it is reinforced by the TV campaigns.
As mentioned by other commentators here, it is the frustration of more excuses and sympathy for the perpetrator, and only a cursory thought for the victim.
Solutions?
That’s not my job, but of it were it would be as an Aboriginal leader suggested at a recent meeting I attended: 100km out bush on an outstation, on country, run by their kin, and educated on what is expected of them, in the community they live in.
In all societies, black or white, social exclusion is used until the rules are understood and followed to some degree. It worked in the 70s, it could again, and needs to be seriously considered here.


Youth crime: compassion alone is no solution
This lawyer is by the very definition a bleeding heart, concerned only with her client and the publicly funded pay cheque she picks up.
Nothing about the victims of these kids, who would be glad to see them paying the price of their ways. She also fails to mention the multiple chances and warnings these kids get.
They don’t get locked up for a first or fourth or sometimes 10th offence. Would be good to know the number of chances this particular client got.
As far as the grandmothers go, in keeping the kids close: Too late, keep them close when they first get into trouble and they would not, ever, be in this place.
And no the words like tortured that always come into play, even though the kids get meals and safe beds every day, pizza on weekends and visits from footy teams when they are in town.
I think the ones who suffer torture are the staff, who are very dedicated but end up becoming punching bags because the rights of these violent young criminals (that’s what they are) seem to trump the expectations of a safe workplace.


Aboriginal flag to fly year round on Anzac Hill
The latest news is now 365 days including Anzac Day. Hopefully council will erect two extra poles not just 1 so protocol can be followed.
After the Australian National Flag, the order of precedence of flags is: national flag of other nations, state and territory flags, other Australian flags prescribed by the Flags Act 1953, ensigns and pennants.


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