@ Evelyne: I, like Laurence, write under a pseudonym due …

Comment on Pack of girls attacked me, says Chinese on working holiday by Ray.

@ Evelyne: I, like Laurence, write under a pseudonym due to where we work.
Erwin knows me, and he certainly understands the implications if I used my real name.
I do however enjoy the opportunity to contribute to community discussion without the fear of disciplinary action taken against me/us, and in the past, I have both agreed with you and shared arguments as well
I do agree that it takes a village to raise a child, as long as we live in a village, where a small number of people all must contribute to ensuring the survival of all.
Many villages in the traditional sense would be no more than 100 people. We are not a village, we are a large town with many different groups, cultures, beliefs, and expectations, and that expression is not relevant to our contemporary way of life.
The problem people like me have with this “throw away” expression is that it deflects responsibility, where people can say: “It’s not my fault, it takes a village to raise a child, so its the fault of the villagers, not me.”
Wrong, you gave the example of how you raised your children, I am raising mine and Dr Who raised his.
The people who helped were not villagers, they were paid professionals offering a service.
The concept of a village implies aunties, uncles, and close-knit members of a small group.
In those days if the kids mucked up, they would be given a clip under the ear by another villager who you knew.
Would you be happy with somebody smacking your child for running amok in Woolies?
Those days of a village are long gone, and the people who have the primary responsibility for raising the child are the parents, nobody else.
Yes, we may use doctors or teachers or police to augment our responsibilities, but the buck stops with the family.
The problem is many of the youths running wild today are from parents who probably were raised in that village environment, out bush on traditional lands, where the kids could run wild.
Unfortunately, the concept of urban drift has occurred, yet the additional responsibility that goes with living in an urban environment is not understood by these parents.
The grandparents probably say: “That’s alright, you used to run around when you were kids” without the understanding that the dangers of today were not there in those days, let alone the propensity to use violence to survive and then thrive on the streets.
My problem is that the euphemism of taking a village to raise a child ignores that fact that village life is far different to life in modern society, and is used as an excuse to abdicate responsibility.

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Pack of girls attacked me, says Chinese on working holiday
Would be interesting to see the outcome if Worksafe was contacted about this.
Absolutely the company has a duty to their employees, there should certainly be a policy dealing with the safety of employees departing late at night, especially where the hazards of this town are so well known.
Regardless, the employer has a duty to identify the risk and put controls in place, this would include making the staff finishing their shift aware of the risk to their health and safety by not having suitable transport home, and alternatives if transport was not available.
It could be a journey claim if the worker was traveling directly home at the completion of a shift.
A case in point is the woman attacked by the magpie, losing her eye on her way to work.
A joint responsibility between the employer and the shopping center, especially as the hazard had previously been identified.
There are additional duties imposed if it involves young or inexperienced workers.


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Anger with out-of-control kids: council needs to step up
Bloody hell Glenn, you are fearful for the kids? I would have thought your first fear would have been for the ratepayers who vote for you. Crime is crime, regardless of the skin colour.


Man robbed, but wait, there’s so much more on FB
Erwin, the knife was taken off a juvenile offender. If you contact the administrator of the site they can give you the details.
Managers of building sites years ago warned their staff of having a go at the kids at night in the CBD, due to the weapons they carried, such as this.


Curfew: sixth time lucky for Cr Melky?
Seems like it is needed more than ever. I have been here for over 20 years and can’t remember it quite this bad.
I certainly support a curfew, and it can really be made to suit our needs. Even the police at the bottle shops I have chatted to, and other long serving police agree that one is needed. I have never heard this before.
If a kid of a certain age is on the street between 10pm and 6am, “without lawful excuse” (going to or leaving work etc.) the police should have the power to take them to their home, and assess if it is safe in conjunction with a Territory Families worker and if Aboriginal, a Liaison Officer.
If it is deemed safe the parent is warned that if they are caught on the streets again for the next x period of time, they are on the banned drinkers register.
There is enough legislation in existence already that talks about a parent’s responsibility to provide for a child, to be legally responsible for them and to ensure they attend school.
If they are not able to be returned home due to unsafe conditions, that child should / could be taken to an outstation 100km out of town staffed by a member of their own skin group, and put through a program like Rainer Chlanda described in his recent article.
This would keep the kids on country, not in custody.
The parents also need to be told in no uncertain terms what needs to be done, and forced to do it. No matter what this type of program costs, it would have to be more economically viable than the crap going on at the moment.
There seems to be an average of one car stolen every single day, criminal damage to shops every single day, people not driving out to town at night because it is too unsafe.


Real young people, not the faceless offender
Under the watchful eye of an Elder, knowing they will get clobbered in they step too far out of line, these kids are away from the distractions of the city lights and peer pressure with no fear of consequence.

Here they show their full potential, and are being moulded in culturally acceptable behaviours. They are not subject to drunken relatives, parents too pissed to care, and the risk of either abuse or negligence is zero.

They love their Aboriginality and their cultural connections. This nurturing, guidance and lack of temptation may be the answer we are looking for, Rainer, now how can we implement it?

Maybe it shows that it is really not the kids at all, maybe the trick is to have parents or kin step up and provide this to these kids, and work out how to balance this with the need for learning the Western ways in addition to, not instead of their own culture. Can this be legislated?

Like it or not, it will take both if they are to survive as proud Aboriginal people and productive members of society.

Also remember that even though you cannot (or maybe do not want to) believe that they fit the profile of the “malicious, spiteful, undisciplined youth you hear some Alice Springs residents bemoan as the culprits behind break-ins”, they either are or have the potential to be one and the same, given the right circumstances.
Those differences in the circumstances, I believe, are in the first sentence of this comment. Not trying to be negative, just trying a bit of “truth telling” as I personally see it.

A well written and insightful article.

Well done.


Newmont gold mine: Aboriginal jobs, still trying
Very interesting comments on the update, Erwin.
Could we surmise from that statement that because the royalties are paid to the ABA, or the land councils, no income tax is paid?
It is a well known fact that royalty money is then distributed to various family groups.
It would be good to see the legalese if the definition of “distributed” is different to that of sharing.
If everybody is given an amount (even as low as $50) would that satisfy the test of it being used for the whole community?
It is well known the secrecy and exemptions that apply to the accounts of Aboriginal organisations.
Unfortunately with the generalist statement provided to you, is is unlikely we will ever get a straight answer.


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