@ Charlie Carter Posted April 28, 2018 at 8:33 pm: …

Comment on 1968, when revolution was everybody’s business by Russell Guy.

@ Charlie Carter Posted April 28, 2018 at 8:33 pm: Your story was full of interest, Charlie, as were the times which we both lived through, but as a postgraduate social scientist, I find postmodernism (deconstruction) in relation to social policy of greater interest.
I thought your reference to the “spirit of the times” equated with the Zeitgeist, which went on to establish the Abortion (on demand) Act of 1967 and left a legacy of seven days per week take away alcohol among its liberal attitude to social policy.
There are many negatives in scientific positivism and “rational thought”, which is not a criticism of your position, simply my observation.
I’m not trying to buy an argument as this period is very important to the “sex, drugs and rock ‘n’ roll” cosmos of contemporary lifestyle (the late 20th century as you wrote) and deserving of deconstruction.
You didn’t mention The Beatles, but the activism of the period was as much based on their songs as anything else (I was 16 and managing an R&B band), particularly beginning with the Love is All You Need (Sergeant Peppers) period around 1967.
Their earlier songs were romantic and existential and they had a global influence, perhaps, more subtle than a hard-nosed scientist might allow.
Maybe you’re not familiar with that (more Dylan/Zappa than pop), but with John Lennon and Yoko Ono’s Give Peace A Chance release around 1970, the point that I make is that the “make love not war” mantra became self-evident in social statistics, especially in relation to the Abortion Act (1967) and militarily, we are no better off for it.
I contend that by collating love and peace, two key words in the activist agenda, The Beatles proved that they were lost in a peacenik paradise.
Having said that, John Lennon’s Working Class Hero, covered by Marianne Faithful, one-time Mick Jagger paramour, is among my favourite all-time songs.

@ John Bell, Posted April 28, 2018 at 8:51 pm: In my opinion, my meaning is clear. The Beatles were lost. Perhaps, this can be seen as a double negative by my use of the verb “weren’t”, but you determined it correctly.

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1968, when revolution was everybody’s business
@ Charlie Carter. Posted April 29, 2018 at 8:42 pm. The Beatles’ Sergeant Pepper album introduced hallucinogenic drug-use via the American exceptionalism of Dr Timothy O’Leary and the White Rabbit.
“Tune in, turn on, drop out.”
It was as much a part of the “sex, drugs and rock ‘n’ roll” ethic then as it is today, so your downplaying of The Beatles in relation to geopolitics, sex and drugs is myopic, rather than visionary.
I can’t believe that you were not exposed to love and peace, man. The peace symbol was extensively placarded in the activist marches, but I make the point that the flower fringe took up the moral relativism of the front line revolutionaries and many, including myself, had to register for National Conscription.
Some went to the front line to support the domino theory of the time.
Expanding territorial influence by communist states in Asia and Europe is more the issue today.
You didn’t mention the Vietnam War either, but I assume that your reference to Redgum, Chisel and Bogle is related.
I didn’t mention prohibition either, but we are left to deal with the liberal agenda of that period’s contribution to social legislation.
Prohibition doesn’t work, but alcohol supply reduction does and so do various forms of contraception for men as opposed to the Pill, which you did mention, so all this “I didn’t mention” stuff is tedious, rather than tendentious.
As I said in my earlier reply, I’m more interested in postmodern analysis of that legacy.
By way of having a reasonable debate, perhaps, you could explain how I’m misrepresenting your position?

1968, when revolution was everybody’s business
If there was any doubt that The Beatles weren’t lost in the Love is All You Need humanist fairy story by 1967, that photograph dispels it.

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Alcohol floor price may breach Australian Constitution
The fact that no action is being taken by the Winemakers Federation, preferring instead to work with the NT Government; that there have been no casks larger than two litres in the NT for several years and in Alice Springs for several more, because they are banned, we should be encouraged by their example, along with other retailers who have shown similar intent.
Tourist tipple and alcohol problems in the NT are interrelated. In a recent post, I pointed out the illogic of sacrificing current levels of visible alcohol-related harm to the tourist economy, which will only cause further decline.
The Mandatory Treatment Act (2013), since repealed, highlighted how harmful and disempowering alcohol restrictions can be, particularly where Indigenous communities have not been involved in their development.
While Steve Brown appears to consider it a “do gooder” issue and appeals for ice containment, he ignores the need for alcohol supply restriction in the general community, a product, it could be argued, of laissez faire capitalism over 50 years, culminating in corner stores trading in takeaway alcohol seven days a week.
Mr Brown compounds his approach by wishing that crystal methamphetamine (ice) was not a problem, allegedly within Indigenous communities.
It would be better if he, and others of a similar opinion, evinced the same desire for alcohol management through community coalitions backed by government regulation or government‐initiated community partnerships, which according to a recent article in the Australian and New Zealand Public Health Journal, “have been successful in harnessing local knowledge and Indigenous social systems to curb the unintended impacts of alcohol regulation”.
The article revealed that improved health and social outcomes, for example, by tethering demand reduction programs to supply restrictions had been achieved.
Outrage over the disempowerment of Grey Nomads to purchase a cask of cheap wine, while the harmful use of alcohol among Territorians continues at levels in excess of the national average, ignores the possibility of a community-led solution, even when governments repeal poorly consulted legislation such as the MTA.
In the mid-1980s, Territorians died from being stabbed by glass flagons. Casks were introduced by governments working with the winemakers and less harm eventuated.
It didn’t curtail harmful levels of consumption, nor the granting of takeaway licenses, but the NT Government, acting on recommendations from Justice Riley’s Report, is facing up to the cost of those unacceptable levels and investigating ways of working with the underlying cultural problems.
Learning from history on which evidence-based legislation like soft packaging and a demand reduction floor price is based seems more appropriate than sticking one’s head in the sand.

Ice Age in Alice
Four balls coming back over the net. Policy on the run.
@ Local 1: Comparing Queensland with the NT is apples and oranges. Been crossing the border all my life, not just for a week.
@ Steve Brown: I want to see evidence for your claims, not just anecdotal. Been there.
@ John Bell: Commonsense has been missing in action and @ Paul Parker, same thing.
Tolerance, common sense and reason were the founding values of the European Enlightenment. Not going well.
Finally, to all, I speak for myself, not for PAAC, whose evidence-based campaign assisted the NT Government in micro-managing the issue of liberal alcohol supply with a floor price. The claim that it makes all alcohol more expensive is incorrect.

Ice Age in Alice
The floor price is not a “silver bullet.”
There is none. There are only a suite of measures to reduce levels of supply, including the BDR.
A floor price targets the cheapest alcohol sold, mostly cask wine, consumed by the most desperate addicts, including pregnant women.
Canada and Scotland have a floor price.
It was introduced this week in the NT after a long evidence-based campaign.
Cynicism is an easy choice, but I’ve been involved in reducing alcohol-related harm in the NT since 1986 when I produced four songs with Indigenous band, Coloured Stone for the NT Road Safety Board.
If you allow yourself to get cynical and negative about drugs, of which alcohol is one of the most prevalent, then you might as well accept the carnage as inevitable.
Take the opposition over the recent Master’s Games request by the police for light and midstrength beer.
One of your readers posted anonymously, calling those who lobby to turn the tap down a “mob” who are only interested in prohibition. That’s hysteria.
The NT Government is currently looking into the seven days a week take away grog licensing regime.
Australia has a culture of alcoholism, particularly around sport.
Changing that culture, currently costing NT taxpayers $640m p.a. is a positive step towards putting money into ice rehab.

Apex Club ‘fenced out’ of running Masters Games bars
@ “Ray”. My argument for turning the tap down (not off, as you insinuate with your anonymous post), exposes your confusion, but it clarifies one point.
It will be hypocritical for you to point to the Indigenous as being responsible for the town’s social problems again.
While you busy yourself over being “the laughing stock of the country”, the hospital and police records continue to speak for themselves and show no sign of abating, due to what is a culture of alcoholism.
It was the police who requested light and midstrength beer be served at this sporting event.
As an attendee at last Friday’s National Police Remembrance Day, the names of those officers who were killed in the line of duty was sobering, yet they who we appoint to serve and protect are fobbed off.
Justifying the capitulation on the economy and giving back to the “community” is evidence of your confusion, but as cultural tourism is the vogue, it will be interesting to see how long before you start referring to “the section of the community that has the issue” again.

Apex Club ‘fenced out’ of running Masters Games bars
Why such despondency, “Ray”?
The streets of Alice Springs are paved with gold if you have eyes to see.
They need not be awash with the consequences of alcoholism.
Turn the tap down (not off) and you will see how a great town can come back from fifty years of an uncapped flow.

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