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Chiara: Climate change deniers have equal rights with climate change alarmists to place their arguments in the public arena.
In the olden days King Canute believed as sovereign ruler that he could control the forces of nature.
He found out to his great disappointment that he could not do so. And got very wet feet in the bargain when he tried to command the tides.
Alarmists believe that humans can alter and change the climate, just as King Canute believed. Deniers say they can’t. Both sides are entitled to their beliefs.
Whether it is alarmists blaming people’s suffering in the Alice heat on anthropogenic causes or deniers saying it is the natural cycle is a difference of opinionated debate that will be with us until hell freezes over (so to speak).
As the meerkat says in the tellie ad: “Simples!”

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Heatwaves need to be treated as emergencies: Cr Cocking
@ Domenico. So many people whom you loosely call “deniers” agree with you that action is to be taken to reduce pollution yet disagree strongly with you and those who are loosely termed “alarmists” on the anthropogenic percentage cause of impending catastrophic global warming. And on how to deal with the problem. So both sides are tired of arguing.
However, all scientific argy bargy and arguments of methodology aside, there are serious ethical issues in the debate on catastrophic global warming that will not go away or be silenced.
A major ethical issue for me is this question: How can any alarmist in government or oppositiin or in the general public morally justify the continued sale of fossil fuel coal to other countries?
It seems to be hypocrisy writ large to me.

Heatwaves need to be treated as emergencies: Cr Cocking
@ Ali Corcoran: “The power of arguing from an evidence base–for which anthropogenic causation is overwhelming. Having an ‘entitled’ belief does not make that belief correct in the real, non-flat-earth, world.”
To put King or Queen Canute into perspective.
Four centuries ago, the overwhelming consensus was that earth was, indeed, flat. The “real world” of the day. Then along came Galileo.
In the same vein when overwhelming argument was that the sun revolved around the earth, along came Copernicus.
In essence, the Canute story is an analogy for mankind’s assumed superior knowledge over nature.
To say that man’s ever-refutable consensus evidence proves man’s superior influence over nature is open to challenge.
That is not only Jacinta’s right. The history of eminent precedent tends to make her position highly credible.

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Do what I do: a lesson for the government, police
@ Dave: You make a very good point. The initial cover-up by WHO and China and then the constantly changing incoming information on the Wuhan Virus has caught everyone on the hop and is still creating controversy around the world.
This uncertainty has had a major impact on correct protocol, country to to country.
Who can really say, even now, what is the right protocol for any individual country? Take Taiwan, for example.
With a population very close to ours, they have minimal cases of illness – fewer than 300 currently. Their protocols allow their people to go about their normal business in shopping malls markets etc. with marvellous results.
Then there is Italy. A disaster zone. No doubt a victim of geography and EU open border policy.
Then there is Central Australia. In remote communities such as Atitjere. Among the world’s oldest community with all of our cultural health issues.
The right “protocol” is still very much a lottery stab by well intentioned authorities.

COVID-19 infected is Harts Range police officer
Having read all the reports on this in the Alice Springs News and observing from down here in Melbourne, I am bemused by the criticism of this NT police officer and wife.
Down here every day I go for a walk and I see groups of cyclists on long training rides.
They meet at designated places and invariably end their ride at a takeaway coffee place, often in suburbs of inner Melbourne.
I also see groups of people every day on shopping trips to Northland shopping centre.
To criticise this police officer and his wife in these circumstances seems almost hypocritical to me.
All around the country, there are large confusing gaps with what communities are being told.
This police officer and his wife are copping unfair flak.
Especially when total lockdown has not been declared and community movement has no reliable monitoring.

COVID-19 news: Alice Springs woman diagnosed
@ Pseudo Guru. Hillsong and Scientology people are in the same virus boat as everyone else, regardless of race, colour, nationality, ethnicity or religion.
It is not constructive or helpful to take potshots at these people in a a global crisis like this.
Could even be construed as unnecessarily narky.

COVID-19 news: Alice Springs woman diagnosed
Just been talking on the phone to Aboriginal friends in Alice about the spread of the virus.
They say (1) while there are fewer people in town, there is no real indication of a coordinated effort to transport people back to their communities.
(2) Central Lands Council and Centrecorp are showing no leadership, while Tangentyere is trying, offering a bus service with petrol vouchers to help people to get from camps like the one out at the Yuendumu turn-off.
(3) Tribal people have no idea about washing hands and their movements cannot be monitored, making “self-isolation” a farce. They fear that unless there are immediate public signs of a coordinated town approach that everyone understands, there is a crisis waiting to happen.

COVID-19 news: Alice Springs woman diagnosed
@ Pseudo Guru. Pseudo: I suggest that you have a tunnel vision view mate.
Christian churches in Australia have a long history of providing essential aid to the desperate and the needy, from earliest colonial days, long before state governments came to the party.
Church institutions and congregations have been putting their hands in their pockets to provide orgs such as the Salvation Army, St Vincent de Paul, Anglicare etc.
It is a quid pro quo situation where the states get a huge quid from these volunteer orgs who, if they vacated the welfare sector, would dump an impossible burden on state and fed governments.
The state and fed governments get the best deal, and they know it.

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