John, my initial response was an admittedly angry rebuke to …

Comment on Hot debate in council over youth curfew, public stays away by Steve Brown.

John, my initial response was an admittedly angry rebuke to aldermen, some of whom I hold in great respect, over behavior that has emerged regarding Eli Melky. The intensity of the dislike the aggressive bullying intolerance is really deplorable especially when some seem quite willing to sacrifice long held beliefs in order to attack him.
My comments come not just from the article but from what I have observed first hand both at Council and through a good many conversations with a number of aldermen.
While council is playing petty one-upmanship games, people – many of them children – are hurting. Of course council doesn’t control law and order but a well respected council can and should be an enormous influence on government decisions.
That means making strong, visionary, useful points to government, then having the intestinal fortitude to stand behind those decisions. What Alice doesn’t want is a cringing, ingratiating, cannibalistic council that may raise plenty of eyebrows within government, but generate precious little respect.
Furthermore and finally, what Alice’s needs is a council that represents its citizens not the glorious careers of aldermen. The recent criticism of Action for Alice by some in council raises many questions about just who councillors think they are and who they think they represent.
The membership of Action for Alice during peak moments of the town’s anxiety earlier this year bordered on 500, mostly businesses. That, John, is a huge majority of local business! Our wealth generators and our employers!
[ED – Time to move on the the next subject, gentlemen!]

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Hot debate in council over youth curfew, public stays away
Yeh! John, you have the audacity to talk about the “debate”. Debate is for people with both ideas and open minds, given your contribution has been a never ending spiel of Labor Party propaganda and its pathetic justifications you obviously have neither. You’ve maintained your unquestioning support for the Territory Government and the Labor Party even though it’s demonstrably against the wishes of, or the interests of, a massive majority of this town’s population. I think the Labor Vote is somewhere around 20% isn’t it? Why is that John?
You still thinking of putting your hand up for the Labor Party at the next election? I personally can’t think of a good reason why you shouldn’t. Your leadership skills and achievements absolutely match the criteria.
So why is Eli, “the new kid on the block”, at forefront of attempts to do something about our youth problem?
Where is what should by now your very well developed policy? Could it possibly be that this problem has escalated year by year on your watch and you don’t have one? How long have you been in council now John?
Let me help you, you’ve been there long enough to have put into effect all the answers you think you have. How long do you think you would need before you came up with any kind of solution or even produced an attempt at a solution – another 10 years? You seem to be able to produce a remarkable spiel of reasons as to why we shouldn’t do anything or why something won’t work. Yet we never see from you as an individual or Council as a whole any kind of leading the way.
You say you came up with some good policy as part of the other night’s discussion, so where is it? Where are the motions? The facts are that your intent the other night was aimed solely a shooting down the new chums’ motion. It was in fact part of the pathetic bullying power game that been running against any alderman who has the temerity to put a motion that could be construed as being critical of, or outside the policy of the Territory Government. This week gutted stance not only lets down the citizenry of Alice who rightfully expect that aldermen should stand up and vigorously represent their point of view, but as with all policies of appeasement, it has made our council a laughing stock on matters of public policy. It results in our town’s opinions being completely disregarded by a Territory Government that always bases its decisions for Alice on minimizing input. As for the rest of your points, John, perhaps you should have read a little more closely my strong language was directed at behavior not individuals and John, I don’t think you have to support a curfew as long as you have an alternative response.
One which doesn’t involve DOING NOTHING AT ALL! Which, by the way, is now the position of Council since your rejection of Ald Melky’s motion obviously does away with the council’s previously held stance of supporting a curfew.
Gutter Politics John? You mean like those who play the “race card”, use it as an excuse to do “nothing”! Even though the result is the absolute victimisation and destruction of those they pretend to protect! Would you like to give us a run down on just how well Aboriginal Centralians have done while people like you have been arguing for separate and different treatment? People argue that, John, because they don’t have the guts or the basic human decency to do the right thing by these kids no matter what their race!
They do it because they’re scared of being accused of being “racist”, and you know what, John? That in itself is a blatant racist and uncaring act! Where else but in the gutter would I speak to someone like that?


Hot debate in council over youth curfew, public stays away
I have never read an article that has given me a more sickening sense of shame. Shame at the pettiness, shame at the shear stupidity, and shame at the completely compassionless betrayal of a town and its children by its so called representatives. Of course a curfew isn’t “the” answer to everything, it’s simply a tool to both assist and force our various agencies to deal with a problem that they, and now our aldermen, refuse to address. I am completely gob-smacked by Sandy Taylor’s closing quote: “Those most in need of Social Support are those most likely to be subject to a curfew and most likely to fail its conditions.” Well what can I say “Ah Derrr, Sandy”.
That is and always was the intention of a curfew! Those that are good citizens and who obey the law do as it commands and stay off the street. So that means the ones on the streets are the ones you want to deal with! The ones without parental control or without a home!
Of course they’re the focus of the curfew, that’s the whole bloody point of the curfew isn’t it?
But what absolutely disgusts me is the willingness of our councillors to put petty hates and jealousy above the welfare of our town and more importantly above the welfare of our children.
Jane Clark actually wants proof that our problem with youth exists! This despite the thousands of articles, radio and TV commentary, a flowing conversation of admissions by police and other agencies reports such as Little Children are Sacred, millions of dollars poured by a very reluctant government into various agencies to address the issue, not to mention of course the literally thousands of reported crimes, bashings and break-ins inflicted on the poor citizens of this town.
Even the Prime Minister knows about it but not apparently Jane Clark!
What an arrogant disgusting insult to the citizens of this town who have lived with the daily trauma created by this problem for years.
Oh, and you don’t think it’s that bad anymore? It’s dropped by 15% apparently in the past few months. That’s fantastic, is it? That means the rate is now only up by about 485% over the past eight years – we really are going places aren’t we!
And somewhere in there you talked about a more intelligent sophisticated solution! So where is it? Where was all the work on that? I think for a bunch of petty squabbling councillors the idea of an intelligent solution may well be the perfect working example of an oxymoron with the emphasis on the word moron.
The facts are you undermined and ridiculed this motion because of your petty dislike for new chum Eli Melky, and if that’s not bad enough, you did it without any empathy, compassion or regard for the kids who roam and give up their lives to the streets at night.
You did it without any respect or regard for the citizenry of the town, many of whom spend sleepless nights in terror of being victimised by these kids, and you did it without any respect for the position you hold. As a person who has put an enormous amount of time into backing many of you, who worked very hard at getting you there in the first place, as a person who talked you up when many others thought you were crap, I now feel a real sense of shame that you have allowed yourselves to become so compromised that you can no longer see the woods for the trees.
And you can’t see your way through lies, deceit and bullying to a position of moral decency. So in the years to come when hopefully all this is behind us, and some person or other asks what it was you did as a councillor to help save the kids on the streets back in 2011, you’ll be able to answer with great an absolute clarity: “I DID ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.”


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Heavy rains will certainly be welcome, no doubt about it Ed, but 30 to 50mm is a long way short of what’s required to produce floods like the one pictured.
That kind of flood requires closer to 200mm over a fairly short period of time … wouldn’t that be nice?


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@ Evelyn: While I agree with the general intent of your comment it is important to note for the interested children’s education, that neither their action nor any taken by this nation will have the slightest effect on the world climate! Even if we could completely halt all of our carbon production tomorrow, it would not make the slightest difference to climate change.
So by all means kids work towards a cleaner environment, cleaner air and cleaner oceans, but don’t be taken for a ride by those who seek to create irrational fears about your own beautiful world, through politically motivated, fear mongering garbage, about climate change.
It is a natural part of our world and always will be!
The thing we really do need to need fear and guard against, are the mindless efforts of indoctrinated climate fanatics who seek through their ignorance and city bred real world isolation, to do something irrational about planetary warming.
It would benefit everyone to keep in mind that a warming climate is a more productive climate, while on the other hand a cooling climate very quickly becomes a threat to all life on earth, through starvation!
Let’s hope we get to sit somewhere in between. In the meantime there is one very real threat we should all fight and guard against, the life threatening efforts of climate science to artificially interfere with our climate. One stupid mistake and “Winter really will be coming”!


‘Arrogant’ government fails to answer 20 questions
Didn’t Robyn spruik long and loud the benefits of having an Independent Member for Araluen?
Now she is completely bound up in petty squabbling about more resources.
And not one single question to Government about things that affect the rest of us.
While the Territory goes to hell in a hand basket!
No pressure on Government at all!
Talk about ineffective.
You are payed a dam good wage plus expenses. Write your own speeches and for the Territory’s sake, get on with the job.
[ED – Mr Brown was the CLP candidate for Araluen.]


Scott McConnell now to vote as an Independent
I very much share Scott’s concerns re the Fifth Floor erosion of basic democracy!
Oversight and control of the bureaucratic machines of government is the sole responsibility of elected community representatives.
Department heads and political advisers roles are just that, to advise and to say “yes, Sir” upon a decision of the elected body.
Unfortunately the lines have become blurred.
Many who have no place actively involve themselves in the political foray, crossing the supposed divide between elected government and administration.
I believe this has come about because the government has become so incestuous, we are electing public servants and political advisers far to often!
Pre-selection committees should keep in mind that the whole concept of democracy and elected government is that the community has control over the government it is subjected to!
I agree totally with Scott on this issue: Time to reinstate democracy!


Emergency Dept presentations back up assault stats
Labor Government withdrew the police from the bottle shops presentations at the hospital blew out! Crimes against the person blew out! Domestic violence blew out!
Police were reinstated to bottle shops and these things returned to their previous levels.
Now we are expected to give some credit for the subsequent reduction in the associated crime figures!
Meanwhile break-ins are up because the numbers of kids on the streets are up and nothing’s been done!
A little birdie indicated just prior to Christmas that the Alice would be getting a 24/7 Youth Centre by boosting Tangentyere Councils Drop in Centre, however since that time … silence!
Apparently the idea has succumbed to budgetary restraint since the announcement that we are broke.
I bet the $200m for the Children and Families Computer system is still going ahead though!
While considering budgetary constraints it would create a better all round result if the Minister was cutting that item rather than the actual on-ground services that have a real chance of making a huge difference to our costs for policing, courts and corrections, while building community confidence and harmony.
Budget constraints, sure, we’ve got to have them, but let’s just think through our priorities before acting: Less bureaucracy, more coal face service!


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