Olga, I’m not contesting that the NILF stats are high, …

Comment on NT needs someone to ‘call things honestly’ says Havnen … by Kieran Finnane.

Olga, I’m not contesting that the NILF stats are high, nor that they are a cause for concern. I’m simply saying they are not a measure of income. They are a measure of not being employed (whether full-time or part-time) and not ‘unemployed’, ie not looking for work. The ABS has a separate statistical measure for income and in the example I give, for the Central Desert area, ‘nil income’ was nowhere near 60%. For men 15 years and over, 73 reported ‘nil income’ out of 1306, which by my calculation is 5.6%.

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NT needs someone to ‘call things honestly’ says Havnen …
@ Olga and Hal. The ABS definition of NILF: “Persons Not in the Labour Force are people who are neither employed nor unemployed in a particular reference period.” That is, as I understand people who do not have a job of any sort and are not looking for work. But that does not mean they have no income support from Centrelink. They might, for instance, be receiving parenting or carer or disability payments. I have put in questions to both Centrelink and ABS to get further information.

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Thanks for the correction, Alex. I will amend the story accordingly.
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