Evelyne, please read my comments again. You may have missed …

Comment on Indigenous art gallery centrepiece of Gunner’s plans for Alice by Ray.

Evelyne, please read my comments again. You may have missed my entire point.
Yes, I understand what song lines are and what they mean, but was commenting that we cannot talk about a national Aboriginal centre in the light it is being presented in the story, as the Aboriginal nations are as different as the European nations are.
Despite the fact they live on the same continent, each country is vastly different, although they do share similarities, and have interacted over the centuries.
Song lines occasionally do cross “cultural country boundaries” and protocols exist for members of one tribe crossing into the country of others, and that is where there are indeed some similarities.
All nations and cultures share myths, legends and lore.
My point was, that we need to concentrate on the Central Desert Aboriginal people, as they are the ones that are here, and have the most influence, and are the ones we can consult with.
Saying it is a national Aboriginal centre demonstrates we still don’t get it.
The entrance to this centre should be the first point to explain to visitors that although Aboriginal people inhabit the entire continent, it is made up of hundreds of “countries” and this particular centre celebrates and explains to visitors the uniqueness of the TOs, their descendants and visitors that make up this “region”.
Steve makes a great point to.
I would love top see an indigenous café, staffed by original staff, featuring food using bush tucker, a forecourt with two or three ceremonial dance displays and culture talks, art galleries, basket weaving workshops and maybe tour guides that can on-sell tours to regions that the visitors want to see more of.
Then again, that’s just my vision, and really means nothing until the views and visions of the TOs are invited.

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Indigenous art gallery centrepiece of Gunner’s plans for Alice
Good concept, but get the popcorn ready. This seems to be suggesting that Aboriginal people are all united, and all see Alice Springs as their cultural home. All the teachings I have had and my understanding is that Australia is made up of 200 to 300 skin or language groups.
I would have thought Mr Paech would be all over this.
Maybe a centre that celebrates Central Australian Aboriginal people, but one that tries to incorporate all skin groups all over the country seems to completely ignore everything cultural awareness lessons have ever taught whitefellas here.
How do you give the same level of representation to the Arrernte and those from the Torres Strait in the one limited building? Surely all the schoolkids from Hobart would be best studying the land, culture, songlines and traditions of Tasmanian Aboriginies, and those from Broome would be better placed to learn about their saltwater people instead.
Take a leaf from places that are successful. In New Zealand, cultural centres concentrate on the Maori, not every inhabitant of the Pacific Islands.
We had a fantastic cultural centre here in the Panorama Guth, until it burnt down, and that concentrated on the desert peoples of Central Australia.
Look at the Desert Park, they concentrate on our part of Australia, and do a fantastic job.
We are a meeting place for Arrernte, Warlpiri, Pit land tribes, Alyawarre and others. Why not keep it at that?
Sections dedicated to these language groups would surely provide plenty of information for tourists who have come all this way to learn about Central Australian Aborigines.
If they want to learn about Yolngu, they will go up north. This current plan seems a bit like designing a centre for European culture, featuring French, Russian, English, Spanish, Greek and Italian cultures. But hey, these Europeans are all white, so they must be they same, Eh?
Maybe the design could be the “Big Caterpillar”.


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Maya, just remember that it is not just for the 25000 or so people left in Alice Springs. The jurisdiction of this court is everywhere from Tennant Creek south to the border, and also from the QLD to the WA border. There can now be appeals heard in Alice Springs.
Anybody has ever done jury duty would know that the existing facility was way too small.
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Let’s hope the government decision makers listen to Dale, and engage in (dare I say it) consultation with the industry through her.
You would be hard pressed to find anybody with the knowlege, drive and passion for the region that she has. Harness her enthusiasm and follow her guidance to reinvigorate the industry


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By your judgement it does @ Outraged.
To me it seems like the principle is simply saying that attending these sport and rec activities is a reward for attending school.
Don’t go to school, don’t enjoy the fun trips. It’s a case of dammed if you do and dammed if you don’t.
The other parents (people of the community) seem to agree withy the principle’s stance.
If this principle allows the truants to attend, against the communities’ wishes, it can only lead to the other students playing truant as well.
Be careful with your criticisms, otherwise there will be nobody left to fill these roles in remote communities. As you are eager to criticize in not only this, but the previous report, how much time are you willing to invest to be the personal carer for this girl at school?


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I agree with Chris, I like the building. Very impressive, although I didn’t know about the smart glass. Good to see something new and on such a scale in town, although some people would like to see no growth in town so it could be forever just like that town in that book.


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