Erwin, a further clarification. You wrote: “Are you saying the …

Comment on Loop Road heading towards jobs by Charlie Carter.

Erwin, a further clarification.
You wrote: “Are you saying the access road to Palm Valley in such poor condition because it is a sacred site?”
No! Look at the sentence as a whole: “The road also follows a creek bed to pass into the inside of the impact structure. The same limitations surely apply to it as to the Palm Valley track, although on a smaller scale.”
To be absolutely clear, the limitation is because both run along a watercourse.
As a further thought, perhaps with the consent of the TOs, the parking area suggested could be a “bush” camping ground. Just VIP (ventilation improved pit) dunnies, bring everything else, like Redbank.
It could be a great experience, and a programmed stopover on the loop. Park the van, or the 2WD, set up camp, walk into the impact structure, perhaps watching the sunset. Stay the night in the campground, and see the sunrise on the outer rim in the morning.
Next stop the camp ground at Ntaria, leave the 2WD vehicle (or the van) there and take the day trip into Palm valley.

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Loop Road heading towards jobs
G’Day Erwin,
I did not say, or imply most of the things you attributed to me. I was raising some facts that may have had a bearing on the decision.
It would be good to hear what the Traditional Owners have to say. I recollect that the access to the interior was intended to be low key and limited.
Rather than the bold suggestion that the 6km be sealed perhaps a more nuanced solution could be found.
You did not address the point that the last part of the track goes along a creek, and for practical and environmental reasons (as well as possible cultural ones) it could not be sealed.
Maybe the access road up to that point could be upgraded, with a parking area there, and those without 4WD could walk in (I estimate about 1.5 km)
The caravaners may also feel more comfortable about leaving their vans in a designated car park off the main road.
Several attractions in the West Macs require a short walk, such as Serpentine Gorge, and Redbank Gorge so it is not without precedent.


Loop Road heading towards jobs
It is a while since I’ve been to Tnorala (Gosse Bluff) but it is a registered sacred site.
This will surely place limitations on it in regard to major earthworks such as a sealed road.
The road also follows a creek bed to pass into the inside of the impact structure. The same limitations surely apply to it as to the Palm Valley track, although on a smaller scale.
As for the caravaners, they could unhook their vans and leave them at the main road for a trip into Tnorola. Perhaps there could be a parking area for this.


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Wakefield insists on Anzac Oval, ignores majority
The first problem is the Government’s starting point.
“Revitalising the Mall” should be irrelevant to the site of the gallery.
The consultants envisaged a space, an environment, a backdrop where the gallery can be an icon, a feature in itself.
Not a bloody attempt to do something to the north end of the Mall which, by the way, can only be done by turning the Plaza inside out. Put a big verandah on the Mall side and open the shops to it.
I was originally in favour of the Melanka site, but realised that it is as short sighted as the Anzac site.
It needs guts and determination to something truly visionary, like MONA.
And Dale, it is time to speak the truth to power, and tell Gunner to get stuffed. Resign from the ministry if necessary. Stick up for Alice.
The laws of history suggest that you have bugger all chance of holding your seat at the next election.
You may as well make the most of it. Go down fighting for your town, and for a really important contribution to Indigenous Australia.


A bridge too far? A tunnel may be the answer.
There is another road tunnel through a hill near Byron Bay on the north coast of NSW.
The M1 motorway goes through it. I estimate it is about 200m long.
I take the discussion seriously, or at least parts of it, with the primary purpose being to open up The Gap again to improve the flood flow.
Even 30% seems worthwhile, and the cost benefit should be able to be calculated, and compared with other flood mitigation proposals.
However, the concept of allowing flood water through the tunnels is ridiculous.
One of the important functions would be to ensure N-S access for emergencies during floods.
Rod Cramer is correct that Honeymoon Gap would also be impassable in a flood event.
I don’t agree with Domenico that ideas should not be discussed, but he seems to be confusing discussion of an idea (this) with discussion of a Government proposal (the gallery).
Any serious look at the future of Alice would not project a great population increase. “Industrial Development” just ain’t gunna happen.
Two lanes of road in one tunnel, and the railway in another (perhaps with an emergency road lane beside it) in another should suffice.
To write off Aboriginal approval seems premature, given that The Gap would be freed of its main desecrations.
Of course it will never be pristine, Alex, but it would be a hell of a lot better.
Dr Ongo, of course the river slows and spreads, you would expect that once it is free of The Gap squeeze.
Research by Water Resources in the 80s showed that bed level causeways have little effect on flow.


1968, when revolution was everybody’s business
@ Russell: My piece was, and was intended to be a personal memoir.
Erwin said keep it tight. I tried to.
I concentrated on Aboriginal Rights, anti war and conscription, the environment, and sexual liberation.
Of course I was aware of, and involved in the peace and love thing to some extent, but it was not a priority.
Erwin chose to illustrate the piece with a picture of the Beatles. That was not my decision, or my focus.
Your initial comment included “Love is All You Need humanist fairy story”.
I understand that you have a religious perspective, and were responding to my “supernatural fairy story” comment.
But the love is all you need story was not in my piece. I consider that tendentious.
Also you wrote “You didn’t mention the Vietnam War either”.
I wrote two paragraphs on the Vietnam war.
You have sprayed your comments over a wide field, and seem to attribute everything you dislike to
“the moral relativism of the front line revolutionaries”.
I’m not sure what you mean by that, but our stance that conscription was wrong, and that the Vietnam war was immoral, geopolitically stupid, and based on lies was not relativism.
I also had to register for the ballot for National Service.
The Vietnam war was lost.
The Dominos have not fallen.
The “yellow peril” has not overrun Australia.
I could go on.
But, you say,”I’m more interested in postmodern analysis of that legacy”.
Go for it, but leave me out.


Knock-out concussion causes irreversible brain damage
@John Bell: “Kids learn to take a whack on the nose without getting angry.”
John, why should kids be getting “a whack on the nose?”
Probably because they are in the process of trying to whack someone else on the nose.
Neither of which is desirable.
“Athletes wear protective head gear.”
The face is a surface of the head. The headgear does not cover the face. The pictures I referred to clearly show punches to the face.
“Boxing is the art of self defence.”
Nonsense.
Try talking, or walking away.
Or turning the other cheek, if you profess Christianity.
“It gives troubled kids a sense of discipline and self worth.”
Evidence ?
Try reading, learning, and helping others as as alternative.


1968, when revolution was everybody’s business
@ Russell Guy. 2/2 of us found your double negative confusing.
It was me that used the term double negative not John.
Your contention: “You didn’t mention The Beatles, but the activism of the period was as much based on their songs as anything else” is ludicrous.
“Love and peace, two key words in the activist agenda.”
Er, not in my experience of the time. They may have been mantras of the flower fringe, but those of us on the front line were a bit more realistic.
“I’m not trying to buy an argument.”
Yes, Russell you are, and hanging it on a tendentious misrepresentation of of my position.
“Abortion (on demand) … and … a legacy of seven days per week take away alcohol among its liberal attitude to social policy.
I said nothing about either, but I suggest that the attempted prohibition of both produced worse outcomes.
My positions on the social and political issues of the time were based on respect for human rights, and a realistic analysis of geopolitics.
“American exceptionalism” is bullshit.
The “domino theory” was bullshit.
Sergeant Peppers was a favourite album of mine at the time, but Dylan, Redgum, Chisel, and Bogle were more to the point.


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